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Old 11-12-2007, 05:34 AM
GaryTheGoat GaryTheGoat is offline
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David,

The last thing that I heard was that AJ Green was cheating via a backend access tool called Servman.

gTg
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Old 11-12-2007, 05:35 AM
DontRaiseMeBro DontRaiseMeBro is offline
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no mention of seif?
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Old 11-12-2007, 05:50 AM
David Sklansky David Sklansky is offline
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no mention of seif?

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Fill me in. Barely know who he is. Anything else I need to know? Am I correct that the hand histories allowed for no other explanation? Even multi player collusion?
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Old 11-12-2007, 05:53 AM
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Nice to see you've kept up with this controversy, David.

Very nice
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Old 11-12-2007, 05:54 AM
GaryTheGoat GaryTheGoat is offline
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no mention of seif?

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Fill me in. Barely know who he is. Anything else I need to know? Am I correct that the hand histories allowed for no other explanation? Even multi player collusion?

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David,

Mark Seif was involved in an incident on 02/15/06 with stuckinpgh in which it appeared that he could see hole cards.

http://www.internettexasholdem.com/phpbb...as-vt34808.html

Edit: Fixed link.
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Old 11-12-2007, 06:07 AM
DanielDayLewis DanielDayLewis is offline
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#11.

A 2+2er with a friend on the inside said that his friend says that the person who sent out the HHs was a new employee and most likely sent out the HH with all the hole cards on accident. There was a post on BBV like 5-7 days ago with this info in it.
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Old 11-12-2007, 06:23 AM
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#11.

A 2+2er with a friend on the inside said that his friend says that the person who sent out the HHs was a new employee and most likely sent out the HH with all the hole cards on accident. There was a post on BBV like 5-7 days ago with this info in it.

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Wow that's pretty big.

So in order for this to have been exposed:

a) the superuser had to be extremely blatant in utilizing hole card info.

b) newbie absolute staff had to make errors

Pretty scary.
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Old 11-12-2007, 06:24 AM
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David- to help get the timeline down a bit more precisely...

The accusations and some evidence that there was cheating going on precedes the hand history being unearthed/scrutinized by Marco, Waco, Nat, Snags, etc.
Marco may have requested it shortly after the tourney- but nobody had any idea of what it contained until weeks later- long after the threads that involved the poker tracker shots of other sessions with unreal river aggression factors and win rates were burning up BBV.

The initial accusations about the super using came about after piecing together files from players in the tournaments- along with cash game hand histories from the various cheating accounts against 2+2ers and P5ers.

Absolute went into denial mode despite clear evidence of dumping sessions between the suspect accounts.
They continued to deny possible cheating while Josem put together his plot of how outrageous the poker tracker shots of the sessions looked.
They said it was impossible for any person to know the hole cards to be able to use to their advantage during play.

The Marco file comes to light later when he takes a second look at it weeks after getting it. (IIRC)

Absolute had been denying it prior to that though.

It was also obvious prior to that file coming to light there was cheating going on.

The file simply made it impossible for them to continue to deny it.

Not that they still didn't try.
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Old 11-12-2007, 06:25 AM
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Damn, Sklansky got his muzzle off and just ripped this issue apart like a wild rabbid wolf!!!!11
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:12 AM
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David,

The last thing that I heard was that AJ Green was cheating via a backend access tool called Servman.

gTg

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You are taking a big risk well you call a superhero like Servman a "tool".
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