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Old 10-24-2007, 09:10 AM
JammyDodga JammyDodga is offline
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Default Re: Is this a donkey play Wed 320 on PS

But with ace of spades there aren't that many draws are there that worry him.

The worst possible draw he could be up againt is Q10, and that only has 8 outs, (3 8s, 3 Ks, 2 Qs) and they'd still miss a spade on the other card even if they did hit.

He dominates a lot of the draws, like the K of spades.

Gut shut + over like hero's hand only has 6 clean outs and still needs to dodge a spade.

All I'm trying to say is that I doubt hero has to worry about the Ace of spades and can count the spades as his outs.
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Old 10-24-2007, 12:45 PM
JLiQ JLiQ is offline
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Default Re: Is this a donkey play Wed 320 on PS

[censored] how you got there, but don't fault your play on the flop too much
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:00 PM
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Default Re: Is this a donkey play Wed 320 on PS

i dont see any bad result u can have with a weak lead/shove here i like a weak lead/shove better because crai if he bets a normal amount like 40k or 50k is a lil bit of an overshove if u bet 20k~ if he raises to 80k or 90k u can shove ur 300k in there ur shove looks pretty strong to a lot of players and it might get him to fold more hands than a crai or he can flat call and u got good odds with ur draw or he can fold which is great too.
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Old 10-25-2007, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: Is this a donkey play Wed 320 on PS

Based on your image of btn I would easily let this go PF. As played, C/f the fold. You and the 2nd villain have almost the same amount of chips, I would pick a better spot to get it in.
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Old 10-26-2007, 03:58 AM
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Default Re: Is this a donkey play Wed 320 on PS

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But with ace of spades there aren't that many draws are there that worry him.

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I was trying to say villain might think this, since he's very tight and 'doesn't want to get drawn out', which is a pretty common rationale for bad villains to overbet unnecessarily. I don't care too much what he *should* be thinking [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 10-26-2007, 04:16 AM
Yoshi63 Yoshi63 is offline
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Default Re: Is this a donkey play Wed 320 on PS

I ran your hand in stove against villain's range assuming he has AT LEAST a J here, and even including hands like AsJx or AsAx (though they didn't affect your equity much since they're so unlikely), you were still 45%.

I guess if you KNOW he's never bet/folding for 70k here, and ALWAYS has at least a jack, then you should fold. But I don't fault you for thinking you had at least a little fold equity to make the shove.
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