40/80 Borgata, KK facing turn and river pressure

[tradingman123]

Typical 40/80 Fri night at the borgata. My image is solid. Main villain's image is a bit more erratic, though villain isn't 100% nuts either.

2 limpers, villain limps, I raise with KK on the button. Flop is J/8/4, rainbow. Cks to me, I bet, all call.

Turn is another 4. 2 cks and villain bets, I raise, 2 folds, villain 3 towns. I elect to call, river is an ace. Villain bets, I?

[MitchL]

Its really looking like A4. I think this is gonna be too read dependent to get decent responses, but it should be a fold against all but the spazziest live players.

[afish]

Did the turn put a two flush on the board? If not, this seems like a fold. If it there was a two flush on the turn, I might call.

[CardSharpCook]

only reason to call down is to look him up. Some players certainly 3bet a draw on the turn, but it isn't common.

[Moemar]

I say you should be committed to looking him up on the river, since you called his turn 3-bet.

If you think he has the 4 when he 3-bets on the turn, then pitch it on the turn. Save a BB there.

[ssmallz]

This is why I hate raising the turn. B/c getting 3bet sux. I'd rather call the turn and raise the river, folding to a 3 bet

[DcifrThs]

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This is why I hate raising the turn. B/c getting 3bet sux. I'd rather call the turn and raise the river, folding to a 3 bet

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i don't mind a turn raise if you can fold to a 3 bet.

if you can't, then call and either raise or call the river...again raising if you can fold to the 3 bet.

raising the turn and callinga 3 bet is the worst choice imo.

Barron

[pohuist]

It does seem like a fold as he is not afraid to bet into PFR on an Ace board. (meaning he can beat a pair). But, once you called turn 3 bet, you should probably call 1 more on the river.