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Old 05-15-2007, 03:02 PM
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Default I can fold overpairs. But should I?

Yesterday I posted a hand where I folded AA on a wet flop vs 2 TAGs. It turned out that I was correct in my decision.

Today I folded kings on the flop vs 2 donks. Given that they are donks, I'm starting to think I misplayed it.
2p2, do you call or fold in this spot?

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $196.35
BB: $200.00
UTG: $265.04
MP: $195.80
CO: $209.80
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $277.05</font>

<font color="black">Reads: </font><font color="blue">UTG = 48/9/0.5, MP = 40/27/1.5, both are pretty bad</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $2.00, MP calls $2.00, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12.00</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $10.00, MP calls $10.00

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($39) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $35.00</font>, UTG calls $35.00, <font color="red">MP raises all-in to $183.80</font>, 2 folds

Pot Size: $292.80
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Old 05-15-2007, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: I can fold overpairs. But should I?

I would call this
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Old 05-15-2007, 03:09 PM
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Default Re: I can fold overpairs. But should I?

Looks good to me, very likely to be facing a set of 4's or 7's.
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Old 05-15-2007, 03:09 PM
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Default Re: I can fold overpairs. But should I?

I never fold this:

UTG = 48/9/0.5, MP = 40/27/1.5, both are pretty bad

lmfao I fist pump call here.
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Old 05-15-2007, 03:37 PM
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Default Re: I can fold overpairs. But should I?

Thanks so far.

I think it's safe to assume I'm SA/WB here. I did some Pokerstoving:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.613% 36.61% 00.00% 6162 0.00 { KhKs }
Hand 1: 63.387% 63.39% 00.00% 10668 0.00 { 77, 44, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad3d, Ad2d, JdTd, Td9d, Td8d, 9d8d, 6d5d }

Since I'm getting 2 to 1, I think it was a close call given that UTG folded. I'm wondering how the presence of UTG in the hand influences my decision.

How is my range? MP limp-called, so I didn't include the hands I think he would raise with.
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Old 05-15-2007, 03:39 PM
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Default Re: I can fold overpairs. But should I?

he could be doing this with a flush draw or 56, snap call
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Old 05-15-2007, 03:44 PM
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Default Re: I can fold overpairs. But should I?

I call this all day...could easily be AJ of this donk, queens, etc. I am not sure why you folded.
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Old 05-15-2007, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: I can fold overpairs. But should I?

MP does not have QQ here, since he's very aggro but he limp-called preflop.
I folded because I'm either slightly ahead or way behind, and thought there was a substantial chance that either UTG or MP had a set.

However, since they are donks, their shoving and calling ranges are wider than normal, and I'm not sure to what extent I should adjust to this.
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Old 05-15-2007, 03:53 PM
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Default Re: I can fold overpairs. But should I?

this guys PFR is 27... i can't see how he ISN'T raising a PP preflop. I would be VERY suprised to see a set here.

edit: The only hand I could see him having that your behind would two pair. I think he could definitely have a flush draw here though.
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Old 05-15-2007, 04:01 PM
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Default Re: I can fold overpairs. But should I?

Good point. That makes me lean towards a call; I'm about 50/50 vs combo draws and from that point of view, it's an easy call. Thanks for your input. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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