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Old 09-11-2007, 10:17 AM
netstorm netstorm is offline
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Default $50nl; Lets talk about merging our range

Note: I normally do not do this, unless I have a read. Please be aware that this is opponent specific, and I do not advocate this on a regular basis.

So on to the hand: Villain is a 23/13/2, nothing too special. Based on his actions, I knew he did not have a king. By firing here, I am
a) value betting agains weaker pocket pair, or a weird other pair
b) bluffing against his higher pocket pairs.

note: He will not fold if he has a king. But the action so far has led me to believe he does not have a king.

Who likes it? Who thinks its spew?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $89.85
BB: $48.05
UTG: $74.05
Hero (MP): $52.00
CO: $25.90
BTN: $33.10

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $2.00</font>, Hero calls $2.00, CO folds, BTN calls $2.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($6.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $4.00</font>, BTN folds, UTG calls $4.00

Turn: ($14.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($14.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $7.00</font>
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:20 AM
Miko Miko is offline
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Default Re: $50nl; Lets talk about merging our range

I don't like it.

I think he allways has TT-QQ here if he calls. I can't see him check/calling your bet with anything else and checking 2 streets after it, and than calling the river.

So, you're value-betting against better hands and bluffing against worse.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:46 AM
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Default Re: $50nl; Lets talk about merging our range

you should be 2 barreling this hand.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:47 AM
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Default Re: $50nl; Lets talk about merging our range

Just as a nitpick this is not range merging, its a thin value bet. IMO you turn a hand with good showdown value into a bluff with this move so I dont like it. Given that you can just check behind with no risk and win just about as often as you would if he folds, I like the check better
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:49 AM
futuredoc85 futuredoc85 is offline
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Default Re: $50nl; Lets talk about merging our range

if you were the preflop raiser then i would bet this river for value all day (although for like $11, def not 7 as it turns your hand completely face up as a thin, scared value bet). As is, hes not folding TT-QQ, AA to this 1/2 pot bet, and there are only 2 PPs that you beat.
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:43 PM
starkwired starkwired is offline
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Default Re: $50nl; Lets talk about merging our range

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you should be 2 barreling this hand.

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Old 09-11-2007, 01:10 PM
hitch1978 hitch1978 is offline
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Default Re: $50nl; Lets talk about merging our range

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By firing here, I am
a) value betting agains weaker pocket pair, or a weird other pair
b) bluffing against his higher pocket pairs.


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I don't see how you can do both.

You are saying that you will get a smaller PP to pay you off, and a bigger one to fold? What am I missing?
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:38 PM
Hail Eris Hail Eris is offline
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Default Re: $50nl; Lets talk about merging our range

This is spew because 1) he's never ever folding a better hand on the river, and 2) his flop check weights his range toward higher pairs over lower pairs, since the lower pairs have less showdown value and are more likely to just cbet the flop and try to end the hand.

It would be better if your hand was slightly stronger, say JJ, and you bet hard on the flop and the turn, and shoved the river. That way you're repping K/boat/air, so either he believes you and folds QQ/AA, or he decides you're bluffing and calls with any pair that he got to the river with, including many you beat.
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:44 PM
Kasane Kasane is offline
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Default Re: $50nl; Lets talk about merging our range

Once you check the turn, you've told him you don't have a K. He's calling with any pp that beats yours -- basically the TT-QQ range that you're afraid of.
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:57 PM
z28dreams z28dreams is offline
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Default Re: $50nl; Lets talk about merging our range

Def. check behind for reasons already covered.

Also, with a 13% PFR and UTG, this guy is very likely to have TT or better here.
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