sshe redux: a spot to protect a made hand with?

[Guruman]

taking a break from the wpex grind by beating up on some Stars fishies.

These games are noticeably loose and more passive, and far far far less handreading goes on in the actions of my opponents.

assume all players are somewhere from pretty bad to very very bad.

comments on all streets appreciated.

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game easter egg.
Limit: $3/$6
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Guruman is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Guruman calls <font color="aaaaaa">(7.33333333333:1)</font>.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8.33SB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Guruman bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, CO calls, Button calls, Guruman calls <font color="aaaaaa">(15.3333333333:1)</font>.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.17BB, 4 players)
Guruman checks, UTG checks, CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Guruman raises</font>, 2 folds, Button calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (12.17BB, 2 players)
Guruman checks... <font color="white">Button checks.

Results:
Final pot: 12.17BB</font>

[Oatdyke McFluff]

Easy river bet.

I don't normally bet the flop, but given that you did, turn is great.

[Guruman]

I don't think a jack or TT is ever folding there. are you hoping to get a call from a worse nine or AK?

[TheOffice]

Jacks will likely be checking the river and there aren't so many worse nines to beat. As said, tens won't fold for one bet either (at least not tens in the hand of a pretty bad to very very bad player).

I can't see what he's still in the hand with that we beat and could squeeze another bet out of for value. A value bet is something else IMO. Here we're trying to show down and be best more than 1 in 6 to make the turn play worthwhile.

[duckman]

I know your general read is that the players are bad but does that really mean you think the button would bet the turn with something less than 2 pair mediocre kicker?
What is the rationale for the turn raise? You just think he is fos enough that you can blow everyone out or are you trying to cleanup your queen outs?
You call a river bet?
I guess I would of just called the turn and evaluated the river.

[Oatdyke McFluff]

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I don't think a jack or TT is ever folding there. are you hoping to get a call from a worse nine or AK?

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Where? On the turn or river?

[superpokermon]

Did you have a more specific read on the button? I think turn raise is a great move if you know the button is a player who is likely to take a shot when he reads the rest of the table as weak do to checking through the turn.

The river check is good - I think you're behind too often to bet, but you will often get a free showdown in this spot. Obviously your bet will always be called here when you're behind.

[Leader]

The problem with the way you played this is that you think the guy is probably passive. I think you toss this pf in that case but whatever. You get the flop. What's the purpose of the donk? Seems unlikely that he's going to indiscriminately raise overs (although that appears to be what happened). So the only other reason to donk is because you fear a check through by all three. I don't think that's especially likely on this board since, if UTG checks, it will look like weakness rather then a trap.

So I'd just forget about trying to protect my hand on the flop unless we get luck and it check to BT who bets. I'd be focused on getting my value with the best hand with a c/r.

So you're trying to induce a bluff on the river? Seems like your going to induce a check through.

[Leader]

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are you hoping to get a call from a worse nine or AK?

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The guy cc'ed twice and then bet when checked to. It's quite possible that he has a lower pair.

[Scary_Tiger]

3-bet the flop all day long. This is bad. As played, river is a thin value bet, TT and Jx aren't checking behind and worse hands aren't betting.