$10NL PF with 44

[Elper]

"Just limp it, blend in, value bet the heck out of it when you hit your set."

Agreed.

[ThaHero]

Grunch,

Why do you raise almost ATC from SB with a limper at this level, knowing they'll call any pair down?

FWIW I like limping here too at NL10.

[Grunch]

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Grunch,

Why do you raise almost ATC from SB with a limper at this level, knowing they'll call any pair down?

FWIW I like limping here too at NL10.

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They don't always have a pair.

[DaycareInferno]

i always raise in this spot, but not so much to take the pot down as to get paid when i make a good hand. the more people put in before the flop, the lower their requirements become for fighting for the pot after the flop. calling and raising are both easy profit though, oop or not. i should also add that i'm a 3+1/.66 guy and not a 4+1/.75 guy, though, so the dynamics might be a little different for me than most.

[KickerNotch]

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My first instinct is to raise but I don't know if it's the proper play here. Guy has been min-raising with all sorts of garbage.

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I'm confused here. Which "Guy" min-raises with garbage here, MP or BB? Considering their different stack sizes this is an important distinction. Since in your second post the BB mins I will assume this is the person infered. So knowing that the BB mins with garbage and has half a buy-in I guess the question is what outcome were you expecting that you didn't have a response to before raising? If you weren't planning on 4 betting or pushing than what's the point of having a strong read on an opponents tendencies (they like to min raise), than 2 betting preflop into them knowing this and than when they three bet Hero doesn't know what to do?

GIven your read of villian if you weren't willing to push once you were 3 bet into you probably should have limped preflop rather than starting to build a pot you might abandon later.

[terencetsao]

raise is fine
call is fine
depends on the condition of the table

[PureNHL]

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right, but we're playing from the blinds OOP

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What hands will the open-limper fold for 0.65 that he won't fold for 0.40?

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Probably not many. What do you raise AA to in this situation?

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As much as I think he will call, but not less than about 0.50.

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But do we want to raise our premium hands differently than our mediocre hands? That's what I'm having trouble following here. If I'm going to raise in that spot, I feel like I'm giving away too much information if I'm raising more with my super strong hands than others.

[murmeltier21]

limp/call for set value. you cannot call BBs raise profitably OOP so the spot you're in sucks [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]