David Wright got screwed

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Precisely my intrinsic point. The award, if they're going to have one, should properly reflect what it is supposed to stand for. Right now, it does not.

Wright was the best all-around player in the NL in 2007.

That's all.

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By Wright you actually mean Holliday, right? How valuable can you be if you cant even lead your teams to the playoffs?

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Very? Unless you want me to bust out "How useful can you be when you cant even lead your team to winning the WS since we all know there are only two outcomes in a baseball season, first and not-first." Valuable means helping your team win games. Helping a 50 win team win 70 games is valuable, even if they dont make the playoffs. Helping a 90 win team win 91 is less valuable, even if that win happens to get you into the playoffs that particular year.

The other unfortunate conclusion to be drawn from your argument is that it is basically impossible for any of the Indians or Red Sox to have been MVP because they would have made the playoffs without any one guy, and the wins after clinching the playoffs are value-less right?

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But Holliday literally ate dirt to get his team into the playoffs. You don't think that's valuable?

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vhawk, i dunno. the mvp award is a regular season award, so its actually 1st-4th, and not 1st-4th (in each league). giving the mvp award to a player on a team that doesnt make the playoffs is like giving the world series mvp to a player on the losing team imo.

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Why couldn't the most valuable player in the WS be on the losing team?

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vhawk, i dunno. the mvp award is a regular season award, so its actually 1st-4th, and not 1st-4th (in each league). giving the mvp award to a player on a team that doesnt make the playoffs is like giving the world series mvp to a player on the losing team imo.

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Why couldn't the most valuable player in the WS be on the losing team?

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again, because baseball is a team game, your goal is to win

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vhawk, i dunno. the mvp award is a regular season award, so its actually 1st-4th, and not 1st-4th (in each league). giving the mvp award to a player on a team that doesnt make the playoffs is like giving the world series mvp to a player on the losing team imo.

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Why couldn't the most valuable player in the WS be on the losing team?

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again, because baseball is a team game, your goal is to win

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The Mets' collapse had absolutely nothing to do with David Wright. He was playing sensational baseball when it happened. It's not on David Wright in any way that other players failed in a game comprised of individual performances.

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as a diehard Mets fan, the only thing Wright deserves to get is not beaten to death, which most of the team DOES deserve

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vhawk, i dunno. the mvp award is a regular season award, so its actually 1st-4th, and not 1st-4th (in each league). giving the mvp award to a player on a team that doesnt make the playoffs is like giving the world series mvp to a player on the losing team imo.

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Why couldn't the most valuable player in the WS be on the losing team?

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again, because baseball is a team game, your goal is to win

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The Mets' collapse had absolutely nothing to do with David Wright. He was playing sensational baseball when it happened. It's not on David Wright in any way that other players failed in a game comprised of individual performances.

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agree 100%. But personally, unless the numbers are hugely different, id rather give it to a guy who's team made the playoffs.

I love David Wright in the most Heterosexual way possible. And he had an MVP-caliber season. And if the Mets didnt collapse, he may have won the MVP. But they did. And since the goal is to make the playoffs, and David Wright's team fell short, then he was not the most valuable player in the league.

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lmao @ thinking the only way to be MVP is to make the playoffs.

by the letter of the award it means the player that affect his team's chances the most of being successful. if a team loses a player that they never would've been contending without, he can still be MVP.

team-influenced awards = meaningless anyway.

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here is a good example

1986 world series

Ray Knight .391/.440/.565 1 hr 5 rbi 4 runs
Marty Barret .433/.515/.500 0 hr 4 rbi 1 run 13 hits in 7 games
Dwight Evans .308/.400/.615 2 hr 9 rbi 4 runs
Dave Henderson .400/.448/.760 2 hr 5 rbi 6 runs
Bruce Hurst 2-0 1.96era 23 ip 18 hits allowed

Who deserved the MVP of this World Series and why? And were you upset when Knight won it?

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or are you guys saying the World Series MVP should only go to the winning team, but the reg season award should go to anybody

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more recently, Sean Casey hit over .500 in the 2006 world series. SHould he have won the MVP over Lord Eckstein?