No wonder I keep losing

[HOWMANY]

5 handed 60/120 game. Game was 3 handed for a while and just became 5 handed. Villain is Roc. He knows how I play against others and against him, he knows I know how he plays etc etc. I am fairly sure that I should have folded every street here. The river is probably the most profitable decision (or least unprofitable) I made all hand.

I open UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Roc 3bets from small blind, I call and pot is HU.

Flop Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

He bets, I call. Maybe he has AK.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

He bets I call. I hate money.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

He bets I call, I'm in too deep now.

[bugstud]

pre is fine too?

does roc ever fold, like if you were to fsdr the turn or something?

[surfdoc]

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pre is fine too?

does roc ever fold, like if you were to fsdr the turn or something?

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I don't see how we can fold pairs on the button 3 handed so I am not sure if you or HOWMANY is saying that.

As far as your question, I think Roc is more likely to 3 bet a hand with air than fold any hand you want him to fold. The turn spade putting up a second draw is just too likely to be viewed as a semibluff from a dude with "suspicious" as his middle name.

Roc and folding don't belong in the same sentence. Bug, have you already forgotten his CR and 4 bet with 72 on the Txx board?

Edit to say wtf is going on here preflop? Are we 3 handed still? Just reread the post and it looks like we are indeed 5 handed and you are UTG. Meh, just stay away from this hand. Doubtful it is profitable and will just jack up your variance, especially when you are running rough sean.

[SNOWBALL]

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I don't see how we can fold pairs on the button 3 handed so I am not sure if you or HOWMANY is saying that.


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hero is UTG 5 handed. He's in the hijack basically, which is fine to raise fullring a lot of the time, but in S/H, you have less fold equity.

Also, what's the blind structure in this game? 30/60? 40/60? 20/60?

[surfdoc]

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I don't see how we can fold pairs on the button 3 handed so I am not sure if you or HOWMANY is saying that.


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hero is UTG 5 handed. He's in the hijack basically, which is fine to raise fullring a lot of the time, but in S/H, you less less fold equity.

Also, what's the blind structure in this game? 30/60? 40/60? 20/60?

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Yeah, see my edit. I don't know where they played this but the blind structure is usually 2/3 or 40/60.

It is a somewhat close decision since attacking the blinds will be pretty important in a shorthanded game but Roc calls any 2 out of the big blind and maybe 75% out of the SB so I don't think we can turn a profit here.

[HOWMANY]

Yes this hand is just plain unprofitable 5 handed and I doubt it's close. I was actually running like a champ at this point in the game and I looked down and saw a WIRED POCKET PAIR and raised, and as Roc was 3betting it actually registered that the game was no longer 3 handed and I might want to not play bad. So I put all my brain power into flopping a set and winning a big pot but that failed. So now I have a pair and I call down like a doofus.

Also for everyone else, raising at any point postflop is a very bad mistake. Getting 3bet off the best hand is astronomically more likely than getting him to fold like 22-66. My policy against Roc is to never (never) raise a hand that I have to fold if he raises back. This is even more true in spots where it looks like I might be semibluffing. I guess I should have elaborated more on how Roc plays but I just sort of assumed that most people have played with or heard of him if they are in California or Vegas.

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Blinds are 30/60 in this game because we are playing $10 chips.

[bugstud]

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pre is fine too?

does roc ever fold, like if you were to fsdr the turn or something?

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I don't see how we can fold pairs on the button 3 handed so I am not sure if you or HOWMANY is saying that.

As far as your question, I think Roc is more likely to 3 bet a hand with air than fold any hand you want him to fold. The turn spade putting up a second draw is just too likely to be viewed as a semibluff from a dude with "suspicious" as his middle name.

Roc and folding don't belong in the same sentence. Bug, have you already forgotten his CR and 4 bet with 72 on the Txx board?

Edit to say wtf is going on here preflop? Are we 3 handed still? Just reread the post and it looks like we are indeed 5 handed and you are UTG. Meh, just stay away from this hand. Doubtful it is profitable and will just jack up your variance, especially when you are running rough sean.

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see, earlier in that say I saw roc raise or reraise pre and fold to flop c/r's. sooooo I dunno?

[JacksonTens]

dude if he's a live guy, you only beat a 3barreled AK here, I think you have to fold turn maybe flop.

wow, I treally think your downswing is affecting you. Even the tone of your posts makes me feel sad. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Like it sounds like your playing without hope? Is poker fun for you anymore man? PM me if you want

JT

[SNOWBALL]

preflop is an open-muck 5 handed IMO.
Also, if you're going to showdown, I like popping turn.

edit: nvm. Popping turn sucks. You might get 3 bet by one of the many many draws on board. I think calling down probably sucks too, but I don't know how either of you play, so take that for what it's worth.

With that said, I think Folding preflop>raising>calling
flop I think folding>raising>calling
turn I think Raising>calling
River I think Calling>folding

Does that make ANY sense?
These high stakes hands between skilled players confuse the bajeezus outta me, and my thoughts on them are equally WEIRD

[PokerBob]

i'd fold this preflop.
postflop totally depends on your relationship with Roc.