40/80 QQ hand

[private joker]

Strange 40 game with some really loose-passives, some super weak-tights, and a couple spazzy LAGs. Not sure what my image is because the only hand I've shown down is KK after 3-betting a big field PF and betting the whole way to take the pot. I've lost a few hands at showdown that I mucked face down.

I open QQ in the CO. Both blinds call. BB is fairly weak-tight, and SB is somewhat loose preflop and fairly aggressive although not when you'd expect. I wish I could state an eloquent read on him but at this point in the session (90 minutes?) I just hadn't played enough hands to figure him out. 40s, middle easternish, ball cap, probably has a lot of experience.

Flop comes K33. Checked to me, I bet, SB calls, BB folds.
Turn 9. SB donks, and I... ?

Also, are we always betting this flop? What are the merits of checking behind here?

[HOWMANY]

old persian guy = showdown. his hand looks like a K or a 3. it also looks like 65o.

[geormiet]

i don't see any merit to checking behind unless you're balancing it with checking behind other types of hands OR if these blinds are a special brand of retarded and you know they will bluff stupidly if you check behind. I personally think that even the worst players will know something is up when you check behind that flop and refrain from putting in money badly on the turn or river.

Definitely call the turn, call the river. never fold in this spot. He could seriously have anything, i think you'll see a hand like A9 or trips more often than Kx.

[private joker]

I can't remember specifically but the turn might have put a second club on the board -- if this were the case, would there be any merit in raising the turn and taking a free showdown as opposed to calling the turn and river?

[DeathDonkey]

Yes I think there would be merit in that.

-DeathDonkey

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I can't remember specifically but the turn might have put a second club on the board -- if this were the case, would there be any merit in raising the turn and taking a free showdown as opposed to calling the turn and river?

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Thats what I would do. At the same time it makes me wonder what hands are within his range that contain 2 clubs that he calls on the flop. Ac9c+? What else?

[stinkypete]

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Yes I think there would be merit in that.

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random turn donkers also tend to donk rivers. i prefer calling down.

[surfdoc]

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I can't remember specifically but the turn might have put a second club on the board -- if this were the case, would there be any merit in raising the turn and taking a free showdown as opposed to calling the turn and river?

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Thats what I would do...

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Why? This is a horrible spot for a free SD raise. I don't want to sound like a dick and say "DUCY" but I really do want you to think it out.

[geormiet]

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Yes I think there would be merit in that.

-DeathDonkey

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don't think i've ever disagreed w/ a DD strategy post but I don't like a free sd raise here. You're stopping him from bluffing the river and risking a bluff 3bet with say nut flush draw A9

[Chris Daddy Cool]

call down always and forever.