Oh man, I haven't felt this lost in ages

[Melchiades]

I'm not folding getting these odds with lower flushes possible, and such nonsensical lines. Also MP's turn line makes no sense to me which further makes me wanna call. He may have a retarded set/two pair with Ad who tried to price himself in drawing to a boat/flush, and then realised he got too good odds to fold and said arrrr in. Or he could have the nuts obviously. We even have 2 outs. Say wtf and then call.

After this hand i would never consider MP a "solid looking 19/17" again though, no matter what he had. Spaztard with sane preflop stats more like it.

[Jay Riall]

Maybe Nielsio, but MP seemed solid to me so I doubt he does it without a flush, and even though the only likely higher one is Adxd, there are only really a couple of smaller ones. He almost never has 2pair here if you read the hand carefully (maybe QJ I guess, but unlikely. Possibly Aces up with the Ad?), so I guess the only non-flush hand he plays like this is 77 and maybe Adx I guess?

I think I'm just being retarded though and making up excuses for my sucky play here.

[Jay Riall]

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I can't make any sense out of his $22 bet into the $70 pot, then 3bet all in. He doesn't seem too scared of getting outdrawn. He's got to have the Ace high flush right?

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It definitely looks like a nutty hand to me yes.

[Jay Riall]

Just a thought - what do we do with 6d5d or 4d5d here?

[Melchiades]

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Maybe Nielsio, but MP seemed solid to me so I doubt he does it without a flush, and even though the only likely higher one is Adxd, there are only really a couple of smaller ones. He almost never has 2pair here if you read the hand carefully (maybe QJ I guess, but unlikely. Possibly Aces up with the Ad?), so I guess the only non-flush hand he plays like this is 77 and maybe Adx I guess?

I think I'm just being retarded though and making up excuses for my sucky play here.

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He could def have AdJx/AdQx/77 here. Or the nuts obviously. I sure call to find out though.

[Nielsio]

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Maybe Nielsio, but MP seemed solid to me so I doubt he does it without a flush, and even though the only likely higher one is Adxd, there are only really a couple of smaller ones. He almost never has 2pair here if you read the hand carefully (maybe QJ I guess, but unlikely. Possibly Aces up with the Ad?), so I guess the only non-flush hand he plays like this is 77 and maybe Adx I guess?

I think I'm just being retarded though and making up excuses for my sucky play here.

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He can easily have the straight with Kd or AQ with the Ad. Or he can have a bunch of lower flushes; why wouldn't he? And just trying to string people along, esp when the kinda scare-card hits.

And even if you think it's close, you have a $20 overlay on MP, 2 outs to the nuts, and you have a zillion to one to call AND you raised the turn.

[Bukem_]

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Just a thought - what do we do with 6d5d or 4d5d here?

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fold-now there are a trillion combos beating you.

the action is weird though and if utg a really huge donk, enough that mp might think qj is the nuts it becomes tough though.

[Jay Riall]

Doubt he has AQ ever and only AJ occasionally given pf.

[Melchiades]

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Just a thought - what do we do with 6d5d or 4d5d here?

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Def moves this closer to a fold, since now KTdd/T9dd/98dd beats us. I still think I still think I call, since MP's line looks like nuts or some strange semibluff. Puts more hands UTG could have that beats us in there though, close.

[Melchiades]

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Just a thought - what do we do with 6d5d or 4d5d here?

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fold-now there are a trillion combos beating you.

the action is weird though and if utg a really huge donk, enough that mp might think qj is the nuts it becomes tough though.

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Trillion? I count 3 more.