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Old 10-01-2007, 09:35 PM
CalledDownLight CalledDownLight is offline
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Default JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)

What the hell is this? I think I'm ahead of his range but don't know what to do given how many people are still left to act. Call, 3bet, fold? If I was last to act I'd call, does this change with the number of people behind me?

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $20.5</font>, Hero ???
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Old 10-01-2007, 09:41 PM
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Default Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)

I don't know his range. But if you decide not to fold, I think calling is better than reraising here. You can be pretty sure that any body who calls or raises you has you beat. If you reraise, you only hope to fold out QQ and KK which has you beat (I don't think AA is folding and AK or AQ will probably fear your smooth-call).

What's villain's stats?
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Old 10-01-2007, 09:43 PM
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Default Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)

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I don't know his range. But if you decide not to fold, I think calling is better than reraising here. You can be pretty sure that any body who calls or raises you has you beat. If you reraise, you only hope to fold out QQ and KK which has you beat (I don't think AA is folding and AK or AQ will probably fear your smooth-call).

What's villain's stats?

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no stats, but anyone dumb enough to make this raise is dumb enough to have a range that JJ is ahead of imo.
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Old 10-01-2007, 09:47 PM
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I don't know his range. But if you decide not to fold, I think calling is better than reraising here. You can be pretty sure that any body who calls or raises you has you beat. If you reraise, you only hope to fold out QQ and KK which has you beat (I don't think AA is folding and AK or AQ will probably fear your smooth-call).

What's villain's stats?

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no stats, but anyone dumb enough to make this raise is dumb enough to have a range that JJ is ahead of imo.

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Agree. Looks like someone looking to stack off or just a maniac. I like just calling here for reason previously mentioned. Only better hand that may fold if you 3 bet is QQ. On the off chance someone has KK or AA you are screeeewed.
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Old 10-01-2007, 10:13 PM
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Default Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)

FWIW, I don't think you can 3bet because it pretty much commits you to calling any shove behind you. I probably fold because you're not a huge favorite over a tight range AND there are so many people left behind you, but you're definitely folding as an 81% favorite sometimes.

EDIT: I thought it was ten handed, not eight...that definitely makes it a lot closer. Meh, calling is fine.
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Old 10-01-2007, 10:21 PM
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Default Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)

$20 to win the blinds? I think he wants a call and is hoping to catch someone with a half decent hand.
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Old 10-01-2007, 10:24 PM
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$20 to win the blinds? I think he wants a call and is hoping to catch someone with a half decent hand.

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we can assume he's retarded until its proven otherwise
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Old 10-01-2007, 10:42 PM
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Default Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)

This is AA from the villain 99% of the time. I've tried to pick them off with JJ before, just ship me the $20 and I'll kick you in the jimmy.
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Old 10-01-2007, 11:23 PM
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Yeah As Ks or A/K are all I see him doing this with here.
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:01 AM
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i think this is a easy call
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