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Old 07-31-2007, 01:14 PM
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Default Re: A couple of preflop decisions late in the FTP 500k.

fold and fold, for the reason adanthar gave.

Mebbe p5ers are just nits when compared to stevepa
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Old 07-31-2007, 01:24 PM
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Default Re: A couple of preflop decisions late in the FTP 500k.

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I shoved the second hand

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Curious as to what he had sir.
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Old 07-31-2007, 02:21 PM
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I fold both also although I'd call the second one closing the action.

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I was thinking the exact same thing
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Old 07-31-2007, 02:59 PM
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Default Re: A couple of preflop decisions late in the FTP 500k.

i fold the first and shove the second, he's not gonna open fold a pair, or A2 right?
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Old 07-31-2007, 03:24 PM
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i fold the first and shove the second, he's not gonna open fold a pair, or A2 right?

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finally someone else agrees with me. I can see him folding A2 but not a whole lot more Axs. We're gonna have at least 48% equity here, and I don't think the two people behind us who are only going to come in with like JJ+,AK are enough to pass up this edge.
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Old 07-31-2007, 04:40 PM
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Default Re: A couple of preflop decisions late in the FTP 500k.

Hand 1 is a pretty standard fold as most everyone aggrees, not gonna go into that.

Hand 2 is close when it comes to cEV but I don't think it's even close when you consider it's metagame relevance. I'd shove 55 here even if i thought it was slightly -cEV because it will give you the perfect image to rape the table. People will see that he is not scared to put chips in the pot and play tighter against him, especially with the amount of $ on the line.
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Old 07-31-2007, 04:52 PM
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Default Re: A couple of preflop decisions late in the FTP 500k.

I'd fold the first one. I think the 2nd one could go either way, I'd base it on a lot of things, but I wouldn't highly criticize either choice. Being the chip leader, you have a lot of power that you risk giving away for a relatively small edge at best.

So yeah I'd probably fold hand 2 too, although suspect it may be slightly +Cev
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Old 07-31-2007, 06:37 PM
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Default Re: A couple of preflop decisions late in the FTP 500k.

In hand 2 he ended up having AQo and I held.

I don't think we give up too much power in the 2nd hand by losing, and I think the power we gain by winning is much more valuable. We'll still have 700k and have the table covered if we lose either of these pots, and with the second being so close to neutral cEV, it's just a spot I like to gamble to try and take control. With only 23 players left and the blinds getting up there, I think we've got to be taking any edge possible, and gambling with our extra chips on neutral cEV spots to try and build up enough to WIN the tournament. Down to almost 2 tables, we can't expect to get many more spots to get our chips in good, or decent, and need to take every chance I think. With a 1.2 million stack we've got a LOT of room to play, and the 700k stack really isn't much different than 900k imo.

The difference in the first hand is we don't get enough chips if we win, and I think we are actually well behind his range.
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Old 07-31-2007, 07:33 PM
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In hand 2 he ended up having AQo and I held.

I don't think we give up too much power in the 2nd hand by losing, and I think the power we gain by winning is much more valuable. We'll still have 700k and have the table covered if we lose either of these pots, and with the second being so close to neutral cEV, it's just a spot I like to gamble to try and take control. With only 23 players left and the blinds getting up there, I think we've got to be taking any edge possible, and gambling with our extra chips on neutral cEV spots to try and build up enough to WIN the tournament. Down to almost 2 tables, we can't expect to get many more spots to get our chips in good, or decent, and need to take every chance I think. With a 1.2 million stack we've got a LOT of room to play, and the 700k stack really isn't much different than 900k imo.

The difference in the first hand is we don't get enough chips if we win, and I think we are actually well behind his range.

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Old 07-31-2007, 08:27 PM
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I think we've got to be taking any edge possible, and gambling with our extra chips on neutral cEV spots to try and build up enough to WIN the tournament. Down to almost 2 tables, we can't expect to get many more spots to get our chips in good, or decent, and need to take every chance I think.

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Very well put sir.
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