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12-08-2006, 06:18 PM
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PLO100: Wrap on 2-tone flop, do I gas it without the flush draw?
I'm playing the mixed PL Holdem/Omaha game on FTP. The action has been very loose and the table was great in holdem, but this is only the fourth Omaha hand. Effective stacks are $100 (100BBs).
I have Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the button. UTG pots, 3 callers, I call, blinds fold. The flop is K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] UTG pots and there is one caller to me. My gut says that I should be gassing this, but how important is it that I do not have a flush draw? 
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#3
12-08-2006, 07:17 PM
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Re: PLO100: Wrap on 2-tone flop, do I gas it without the flush draw?
Well generally you should be folding this flop. You have 7 nut outs (Ah Ad Ac 9c 9d 8d 8h) and it's not very hard for someone to have a similar draw along with a flush draw. I would usually only play that hand after the flop with a very tight read on my opponent(s) (ie they both have sets). Even then it's not terribly difficult for one of them to have a flush draw as well. HU is a different animal.
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#4
12-08-2006, 07:26 PM
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Re: PLO100: Wrap on 2-tone flop, do I gas it without the flush draw?
I misread this hand too. 8's don't count so he has only 5 nut outs. This is the problem with underwraps, half your outs are not to the nuts.
I would usually call here with position, but Rempel is right you should be thinking more about folding than raising.
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12-08-2006, 07:32 PM
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Re: PLO100: Wrap on 2-tone flop, do I gas it without the flush draw?
Yikes. Guess I got pretty lucky. I potted, first guy shoved, second guy called, and I called.
One Had JJKx and the other had KKJx, lol. Got very lucky that they both had sets and they both took up some of their redraw outs. On a side point, shouldn't the player who was caught in the middle be raising when UTG leads into him? There are a ton of turn cards he's not going to like.
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#8
12-08-2006, 08:18 PM
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Re: PLO100: Wrap on 2-tone flop, do I gas it without the flush draw?
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Sweet. I am changing my answer to shove all day long. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry should have included the results [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [ QUOTE ] I'm raising with middle set here almost everytime. [/ QUOTE ] Assuming that the player caught in the middle was semi-sane and therefore likely does not have JJxx, this is more of an argument for me NOT to pot this, right?
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#9
12-08-2006, 08:29 PM
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Re: PLO100: Wrap on 2-tone flop, do I gas it without the flush draw?
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Assuming that the player caught in the middle was semi-sane and therefore likely does not have JJxx, this is more of an argument for me NOT to pot this, right? [/ QUOTE ] I think so. He is most likely on a draw and that devalues your hand. Of course you might be in a set over set situation with no flush draw out so its time to stack your friends [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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#10
12-08-2006, 09:18 PM
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Re: PLO100: Wrap on 2-tone flop, do I gas it without the flush draw?
[ QUOTE ]
Yikes. Guess I got pretty lucky. I potted, first guy shoved, second guy called, and I called. One Had JJKx and the other had KKJx, lol. Got very lucky that they both had sets and they both took up some of their redraw outs. On a side point, shouldn't the player who was caught in the middle be raising when UTG leads into him? There are a ton of turn cards he's not going to like. [/ QUOTE ] I will occaisionally see a turn card without potting middle or top set (ie calling like mr JJ here). Depends on the moooooood.
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