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Old 10-12-2007, 08:01 AM
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being one of newbies you guys are talking about id really appreciate such a "o8 resources thread".
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:18 AM
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Most of the forums have very good essentials type stickies and it would be great here. Someone could start to get it together and the rest of us can help make suggestions.
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:54 AM
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Most of the forums have very good essentials type stickies and it would be great here. Someone could start to get it together and the rest of us can help make suggestions.

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I've started just such a thread and thrown in one sticky.
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Old 10-12-2007, 11:10 AM
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HOWZIT posted an interesting hand and nobody replied.
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Old 10-12-2007, 11:20 AM
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HOWZIT posted an interesting hand and nobody replied.

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Either everybody was busy and missed the post, or nobody had anything to say about it. (I try not to get involved in Limit threads, since I'm inevitably wrong.) An occasional 'bump' is not out of line if the poster got no response, but thinks their post merits a response since it was well-considered and used a hand converter.
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Old 10-12-2007, 11:50 AM
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that's funny... I was thinking that all the cliqueish posts about who's the best online O8 player were boring me.
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Old 10-12-2007, 05:27 PM
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... I have noticed the dearth of content lately.

[/ QUOTE ]Truthiness - It seems to run in cycles.

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People seem to me to be more concerned here about trash talking than about self-improvement. There should be room for both, but not one (or the other) exclusively.

[/ QUOTE ]My view is there are plenty of places to go to trash talk. Even many other forums on 2+2 are mostly trash talk. This is not a chat forum (although some chat is tolerated and even welcomed).

This forum (and a few others on 2+2) is primarily a strategy and tactics forum.

I see the role of moderator more or less like the role of a committee chairperson.

A good committee chairperson keeps the committee members focused on the issues to be discussed without being autocratic about it. (Of course every time you control someone you think might be a bit out of line, you're being more or less autocratic).

A difference between this forum and a committee is the trash talk. There's very little trash talk in a committee. I can't imagine ejecting someone from a committee meeting. I never saw it happen in decades of chairing some committees and sitting on others.

But here, there are occasional individuals who seem to post mainly to trash talk or write what they think are humorous quips. (And I have to admit, sometimes they're very funny).

A very few posters are just downright mean and/or nasty and become disruptive.

I used to post on r.g.p. (Someone who was somehow chosen as chair of the FAQ committee asked me to answer a question that I think is still in the FAQ for that forum).

I liked r.g.p. - but I like this forum more. This forum is all about Omaha-8. Perfect for me! I'm happy that (unlike r.g.p.) there is a mechanism to get rid of disruptive posters, hecklers, and spammers. (I don't want to be the cop, but I'm willing to serve my time to keep this forum going).

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You folks do need to encourage new players to post and participate.

[/ QUOTE ]I agree 100%.

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People get put off in part because you talk about the game at such a high level,

[/ QUOTE ]Hopefully this is a place we can do that. I have learned, and continue to learn, from excellent posters here. I greatly appreciate high level posts.

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but also because you troll people who you think ask stupid questions.

[/ QUOTE ]In my opinion, "Where can I make the most money?" - and "How much should I expect to earn playing Omaha-8?" coming from someone we don't even know would qualify as stupid questions. I get tired of those.

Some new posters are always going to ask elementary questions. And regular posters here gradually get tired of reading elementary questions. Some of us have less patience than others, but we all get tired of reading questions, for example, about which of two hands has the better low.

Maybe we can do something about cutting down on elementary questions by writing a more inclusive FAQ.

It's harder to do that than one might think. At least it's harder for me. I'm wide open for suggestions, especially as to what specific questions should be included in the sticky FAQ. (Once we decide what the questions are that should be included, then the next step will be to work on the answers). I'm happy to give everyone who contributes credit in the sticky.

I think there often is more than one answer to a question, and I think we should include different valid and helpful points of view, perhaps authored by different contributors.

The sticky thread collection is a good idea, but very tough. The problem is there are a lot of trash posts or simply wrong or misleading posts intermingled with the gems of wisdom in almost all worthwhile threads. I've made (and alas, continue to make) posting blunders myself. I try to correct errors when I become aware of them, but everybody doesn't do that, or perhaps some individuals have defense mechanisms to protect their egos such that they don't even realize they are in error or have written a very misleading post.

If you don't know the right answer, you often cannot tell who is giving the right answer and who may be wrong.

I'll try to keep the trolling under control. That's not as easy as you might think. Lots of tough calls. Lots of places to make judgment errors.

Buzz
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Old 10-14-2007, 11:46 AM
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This comes up every few months. On almost all of the forums I monitor, someone is saying that it is going downhill. You can't please everyone all of the time, that is just the way it goes.

I am surprised, however, that Dave started the topic this time [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

The forum isn't going anywhere, nor am I. I'm here to stay. 2+2 has always been my home. I may be really sick and need to take time off, but unless I'm removed from the earth, I'm going to be here.

FYI, I am getting better. Pancreatitis is a horrible disease, but I'm getting over it. I hope to be back full-time in the next month or two.

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Old 10-14-2007, 04:53 PM
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Hi Felicia - I am delighted that you are at least healed enough to post again, and I look forward to your return.

Let everyone understand that I am doing this moderator thing because you are ill and that in my mind you are the true moderator of this forum.

I have appreciated and continue to appreciate your leadership.

Relax, get well, and come back when you are ready. The forum will still be here waiting for you.

Buzz
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Old 10-14-2007, 05:11 PM
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Thanks, Buzz. You are a gem. I'm sure you've done a fabulous job, and I hope you stick around to co-mod after I'm back.

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