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Old 06-27-2007, 11:01 PM
HoldenFoldem HoldenFoldem is offline
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Default Weak ,..or smart fold???

Villain is 19/10/2 over 21 hands.

Would a flat call have been better here???

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB ($196.15)
UTG ($58.57)
MP ($133.25)
Hero ($100.70)
SB ($125.84)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $4</font>, Hero calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($9.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $21</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $54</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $84.50

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
No showdown. MP wins $84.50. </font>
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:24 AM
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Default Re: Weak ,..or smart fold???

anyone care to venture a comment??
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:44 AM
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Default Re: Weak ,..or smart fold???

In position I like flat calling the flop. AP Once I have raised I am going with the hand.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:49 AM
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Default Re: Weak ,..or smart fold???

eh, you put a quarter of your stack in already, i dont mind a fold, i dont mind a push either
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:53 AM
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Default Re: Weak ,..or smart fold???

You're going to have to fold to the turn push if you miss, and it doesn't look like you're getting the right price here. I think villain is *very* strong here.

Anyways the flop raise if fine. You probably raise sets/2pairs/made straights here (or at least you should since you're raising draws). He hit a hand and you have to give up now I reckon.

Flat calling isn't terribe either, it really just depends if your style if more floaty, or more raisy - ya know?
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:58 AM
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Default Re: Weak ,..or smart fold???

the raise was ok, although i do PREFER a flat call. as played i fold- your only drawing to a straight to win here. fold.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:59 AM
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Default Re: Weak ,..or smart fold???

flop raise is fine, and better than a flat call imo

but once he raises, you can fold

the correct defense against a semi-bluff is a raise, since it forces a fold

villain played the hand correctly, i think pushing would just make things worse, since villain seems very strong, and your hand is actually quite weak, since you're not even guaranteed 6 let alone 8 outs
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Old 06-28-2007, 01:00 AM
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Default Re: Weak ,..or smart fold???

Sample size is pretty small so hard to put read on villains play other than he is saying [censored] you....

Basically w/out any real info on villain this is an instamuck for me here. Raise is fine on the flop, though I flatcall a lot here in this spot, because many villains slow down on such a drawy board and we can take it away easily....free monies is goot!!
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:56 PM
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Default Re: Weak ,..or smart fold???

Thank you all for the input. I tend to think i would rather have flat called, since i didn't have a game plan if he raised my flop raise. On the other hand i have taken down a pot many times with a bet just like this one. so maybe its 50:50.. good luck to you all out there.
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