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Old 11-29-2007, 12:03 AM
slush420 slush420 is offline
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Default $25NL 3bet pot... spew or good bluff?

Villain is 16/14/2.5 in a relatively small sample. Seems solid yet transparent. This is my 2nd 3bet pot in which he 3betted. Last time he c-betted OOP and I folded.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($25.25)
SB ($24.75)
BB ($23.45)
UTG ($25.25)
MP ($28.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $3.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $2.25.

Flop: ($6.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.25</font>, SB calls $4.25.

Turn: ($15.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $17.75 (All-In)
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:07 AM
NeverScurred NeverScurred is offline
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Default Re: $25NL 3bet pot... spew or good bluff?

Fold to his preflop 3-bet. Turn seems pretty spewy to me. I don't really like it.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:08 AM
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Default Re: $25NL 3bet pot... spew or good bluff?

I fold pf, because unless he has AA KK he's not going to give u enough action when u hit, which will be rare. Your bluff is alright i guess, you have tons of FE, but I'd like to have some outs in these spots though.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:10 AM
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Default Re: $25NL 3bet pot... spew or good bluff?

Sorry let me add I was 21/16 in the session and generally not out of line cbetting flops ~60% of the time.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:11 AM
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Default Re: $25NL 3bet pot... spew or good bluff?

it's easy to get annoyed when someone comes over u from the blinds more than once in a short period of time, but just wait til u have a better hand pf to call. as for the shove i think it's pretty unnecessary, i'd check behind to see the river at least.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:14 AM
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Default Re: $25NL 3bet pot... spew or good bluff?

given villain is solid, wouldn't you say most of his range that beats ours would CRAI or at least lead out on the flop?
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:17 AM
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Default Re: $25NL 3bet pot... spew or good bluff?

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given villain is solid, wouldn't you say most of his range that beats ours would CRAI or at least lead out on the flop?

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depends on what he thinks of you.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:19 AM
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Default Re: $25NL 3bet pot... spew or good bluff?

Honestly, with like AK I'm probably looking you up here on the turn. The all-in shove on this kind of board absolutely reeks of desperation. Especially given your history with the guy. If you're going to bluff that you've got an overpair, play the hand like an overpair would. And an overpair is looking for value here, not racing to get it all in.

I think from calling the pf reraise onwards, this is almost all spew.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:38 AM
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Default Re: $25NL 3bet pot... spew or good bluff?

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Honestly, with like AK I'm probably looking you up here on the turn. The all-in shove on this kind of board absolutely reeks of desperation. Especially given your history with the guy. If you're going to bluff that you've got an overpair, play the hand like an overpair would. And an overpair is looking for value here, not racing to get it all in.

I think from calling the pf reraise onwards, this is almost all spew.

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I think this is a perfect spot to rep JJ or QQ here. I am not looking to value bet here but am looking to protect my hand. And there is no way your standard 25NL TAG will look this up enough with AK to be unprofitable if in fact he does have AK.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:40 AM
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Default Re: $25NL 3bet pot... spew or good bluff?

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Honestly, with like AK I'm probably looking you up here on the turn. The all-in shove on this kind of board absolutely reeks of desperation. Especially given your history with the guy. If you're going to bluff that you've got an overpair, play the hand like an overpair would. And an overpair is looking for value here, not racing to get it all in.

I think from calling the pf reraise onwards, this is almost all spew.

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I think this is a perfect spot to rep JJ or QQ here. I am not looking to value bet here but am looking to protect my hand. And there is no way your standard 25NL TAG will look this up enough with AK to be unprofitable if in fact he does have AK.

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What I meant was, his 3-betting range probably is not wide enough to include AQ and below. Which means his range is pretty much AK &amp; TT+. Which means if he's looking you up with AK some of the time, and with the rest of them all of the time, then you're losing a lot of money in the long run.
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