Intelligent responses only: Why all the AP and UB hatred?

[RMLewis]

I've been a player on AP for about a year and a half and i just signed onto UB to take advantage of their initial deposit bonus... I've had success on both sites, i've never had a cash out or deposit problem, and i've never felt victimized by the support staff or by collusion from players.

Someone please explain to me why everyone thinks these sites suck

[albedoa]

Have you been living under a rock?

[RMLewis]

well what makes stars and FT so much better?
keep in mind, i'm an American.

[kyleb]

AP's security was almost certainly compromised by a set of "superuser" accounts who could see the hole cards of high-limit players, netting hundreds of thousands of dollars of winnings from innocent players on the site, many of them 2+2'ers. AP and UB have a long-standing history of terrible cashout problems, random and unnecessary security locks, giving out players' identities to unauthorized individuals at the drop of a hat (see also: yellowsub/limitninja), bad game selection for various reasons that I can't mention, and constantly going back on their words about bonuses, promotions, and rakeback pay.

Does that answer it for you?

[R*R]

Read this and there is much more if you search.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=3&vc=1

[hime]

I left UB went they broke their hand histories on purpose so they wouldn't work with Poker Tracker.

This was about two bonus system changes ago, when I was making maybe $1 an hour per micro table. Now I hear it's even worse. They had bonus all the time, and the earning system was sweet (instant, leave the table it's there), but it I had so much bonus saved up that it was going to take me forever to clear it.

Around that time, I had noticed that there weren't that many Omaha 8 games going at the stakes I was playing, and there were quite a few more at Stars and/or Full Tilt. So I left, and I haven't been back.

I'd look to see how much pending bonus money I have on there, but I don't want to encourage them by installing their software on any of my boxen, which are all new since then and haven't had it on there.

[flight2q]

Ultimate Bet: troubles collecting hand histories; fast for multitabling fixed limit, but quite bad for multitabling no limit; difficult to make graphics skins; fubar software upgrades; repeated changes that hurt players financially, such as rake changes, bonus terms, and rakeback terms/rates.

Absolute Poker: repeated changes that hurt players financially, such as rake changes, bonus terms, and rakeback terms/rates; slow software (but not slower than Poker Stars); squeezing out of prop players and affiliates; major cheating scandal.

Both site's software seems to be stagnating - at least none of the changes are for benefit of the players. Although I think the Absolute software is still one of the best in the industry except for the hand playing speed. Now we have the BBJ tables, which is another rake increase.

[KEW]

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I've been a player on AP for about a year and a half and i just signed onto UB to take advantage of their initial deposit bonus... I've had success on both sites, i've never had a cash out or deposit problem, and i've never felt victimized by the support staff or by collusion from players.

Someone please explain to me why everyone thinks these sites suck

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Welcome to 2007 did you enjoy your nap????

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I've been a player on AP for about a year and a half and i just signed onto UB to take advantage of their initial deposit bonus... I've had success on both sites, i've never had a cash out or deposit problem, and i've never felt victimized by the support staff or by collusion from players.

Someone please explain to me why everyone thinks these sites suck

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I've had no problems with Absolute either.

[lippy]

I LOVE UB.