Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!

[Wahoo73]

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On a side note, I really find it disturbing that since the scandal came out, there is absolutely no drop in active players on Absolute according to pokersitescout. It kinda indicates that the vast majority doesn't care which is kinda dangerous.


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im sure many dont even know

i still run into players that have zero clue about the whole thing... and others that know something happened, but have no idea of the true(?) story

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[Suigin406]

seifdonk looking stupid once again it seems...

man, i know there's people who deserve more blame than him, but i hope he gets [censored] up in this process too after the recent stuff we've seen/read from him

[Jackal69]

pls to be posting image of Absolute Poker's tape recording device for recording hand histories!

[NLfool]

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From http://www.bluffmagazine.com/blog/bl...0&bcatid=4

11/1/2007 12:33:52 PM EST
My Mood: Chillin...
quick blog to clear some things up...
This will be a quick blog today, as I have a very packed schedule with quite a few meetings. I think it’s important though, to again, clear up some confusion. Specifically, I want to address two points that have legitimately been raised. One, why haven’t I severed all ties with Absolute Poker? Two, why do I feel Todd Witteles has acted improperly? This second question, I have to be brief about for reasons that will be obvious down the road. Also, I want to make a brief point about the hand histories from my February 15, 2006 session that has been called into question.

I have not severed all ties with AP, despite numerous requests for me to do so, for one main reason. The investigation is not complete. There is still a tremendous amount of information to be learned about what happened. Such as, how it happened, when did it start, how long did it last, who was involved, who knew about it, and how pervasive was it? As I write this, there are third party independent auditors travelling to AP’s world-wide offices looking into the Company’s practices, procedures, databases and systems. They are accumulating tons of data about every aspect of AP’s operation. Doesn’t it seem reasonable to wait until the investigation is complete before I make this decision?

Would it not be hypocritical of me to ask the public to wait until all the evidence is in regarding my own involvement before forming an opinion, but at the same time, quickly conclude that AP is guilty of such egregious conduct that I must sever all ties with the Company before the investigation is complete? Wouldn’t I be doing the same thing that some are doing to me? That is, unfairly jumping to conclusions without all the facts?

For clarity’s sake, I will go on the record again regarding my involvement. I never engaged in this malfeasance in any way, shape or form, nor did I know about it, nor did I benefit from it in anyway. Yet some people SWEAR I was in on it. They are 100% wrong! The evidence and the truth will eventually come out. But, it takes time.

Just look at a fairly recent and very similar matter in the news the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal. Everyone thought they were guilty because charges were leveled against them. It turns out they were not guilty. It took many many months before there was even the slightest hint that they might be telling the truth, that they didn’t do it.

Second point. Witteles has made several false claims and he continues to do so. I’ll talk a little about this and after that, I’m pretty much going to refrain from talking about him. He clearly enjoys the spotlight much more than I do and he has opportunistically used this situation to try to elevate his standing in poker. In the end, when all the evidence comes out, I think, people will have a very different view of him and his role in this matter.

He says I owe him an apology because AP has admitted there has been a security breach; therefore he must not have been lying or exaggerating. Does that make any sense at all? What about the statements he made about me personally? What about the statements he made about the February 15, 2006 session?

I believe very strongly that he has knowingly and intentionally or with reckless disregard for the truth (which are not elements of the offense by the way) made at least one statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation. That’s all I can say about it for now.

One last thing, my hand histories from the Feb 16, 2006 session. I have been told that it is likely that Absolute Poker does have those hand histories along with all other real money hands ever played on the site. They apparently are on tape and will be retrievable. I hope this is true. I really really hope so. I think the person who told me they don’t have them may have been mistaken. I really don’t know at this point. I’m just telling you what I have been told by two different sources, obviously in direct conflict with one another.

When I agreed to show my hole cards I had never requested them from AP at that point and was shocked, as everyone else was, to learn they weren’t available. That is the truth! That’s why I am cautiously optimistic that the earlier statement that they are not available, may be incorrect.

One last point about these HHs. I have agreed to expose my hole cards because of 15-20 minute session, if I recall correctly, where my opponent (through his “friend”) wonders if I could see hole cards because I ran so hot/made all the right plays. Imagine how many times that happens every single day in poker. Tens of thousands? I think that would be conservative. So every time a site’s pro has that kind of session, we should all demand to see his hole cards right? I know there is a difference here in that impropriety has taken place at AP, and for that reason, I have agreed to turn up my hole cards.

I am just trying to illustrate a point. My opponent and his friend’s claim will be proven false when and if the HHs are retrieved. I am certain of that because I know I did nothing wrong. But just think for a moment, if you were me how you would feel about such a serious accusation because you ran hot for 15-20 minutes?

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this is why i basically believe mark seif, and don't believe the icfishies guy.

besides, the icfishies guy retractred his statement. actually it was his friend who retracted it.

mark seif should not be hung out to dry and have his reputation dragged thru the mud because of slime ball AJ Green.

AJ Green needs to be imprisoned in Costa Rica for his crimes against us poker players not Mark Seif

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The guy was doing well at AP so he didn't want to kill his cash cow. He stated along the lines of he was unsure of what happened but he would no longer play Seif.

1) You don't play Seif because you hate money

or

2) You estimate the chances of something sinister outweigh the truckloads of money Seif dumped into the game

Maybe Seif played this way to bring in a lot of high rollers and shot takers. For what reason I don't know maybe he knew the shills would win it back for him? Hopefully the HHs from tongni are coming soon

[Jackal69]

http://www.theexchanges.ca/images/tape%20recorder.jpg

no inline nudity kthx

Tracey (Absolute Poker Support Team): 2p2 can kiss this before we release any more hand histories to them.

[carlgraham]

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Cliff notes: Dan Druff is about to be sued.

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Methinks not - can you imagine how he would respond, under oath, to the following:

1. What exactly is the nature of your relationship with AP and any of its affiliates? How much do you make? Have you ever claimed an equity interest (insert appropriate chat claims here), etc. Why does your role with AP seem to change at your convenience?

2. Explain your relationship with Scott Tom, AJ Green, etc.

3. Go through the Potripper tourney, hand by hand and explain how you're the only poker "guru" who doesn't believe it proves he could see hole cards?

And don't forget the discovery process - all hands he's ever played on AP, so independent experts could analyze whether they show evidence of being able to see hole cards.

Stranger things have happened, but I can't see anyone connected to AP wanting to subject themselves to the inevitable discovery process which a lawsuit would entail. Their shadowy world would be exposed for all to see, as would the fact that even microstakes players on 2+2 were better at spotting cheating than he was.

Cheers, Carl.

[LuckyMux]

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this is why i basically believe mark seif, and don't believe the icfishies guy.

besides, the icfishies guy retractred his statement. actually it was his friend who retracted it.

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Arnold_O,

You made the exact same erroneous claim not 48 hours ago in another thread. It was pointed out to you that you were wrong, that the original statement against Mark Seif had NOT been recanted, and you thanked the poster for putting you right (using the phrase 'maybe I jumped the gun there' - remember?).

Now you repeat the same garbage again - and this time you KNOW it's garbage. Did you think we wouldn't notice?

Supporters of Mark Seif, hey? You just can't believe a word they say...

(FWIW, I'm struggling to choose my favourite part of Seif's nonsense, from the invoking of the rape case (!) to the carefully chosen qualifying statements, the back-tracking and ridiculous threats. But my pick of the crop: the auditors are TRAVELLING as we speak! No chance AP is still covering up now then, is there...?)

Can you imagine Mark Seif as a criminal lawyer?

"You can't arrest my client yet, Detective - he's only confessed to the one murder..."

[Daack]

Does anyone have any insight into why the article on Yahoo's home page about this mess was only up for a few hours?

This story seems like it would publish itself. Greed, corruption, mix in a little Jennifer Woo for sweeps week!

any news of other media outlets planning to publish anything about it?

[pineapple888]

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I believe very strongly that he has knowingly and intentionally or with reckless disregard for the truth (which are not elements of the offense by the way) made at least one statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation.

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Wow.

Just when I thought Seif couldn't possibly become even more of a douche... he becomes even more of a douche.

Here's my statement, Seif: "You are an enormous douchebag".

Sue me. Please.

[burningyen]

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I believe very strongly that he has knowingly and intentionally or with reckless disregard for the truth (which are not elements of the offense by the way)....
-- Mark A. Seif

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lol publicfigureaments