help settle debate on timing tells

[PMP07]

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as a general rule, quick calls from a villain mean they want to get to showdown, or free card.

I'm much more apt to dbl barrel a turn, or 3rd barrel if I'm quick called.

If he takes his time, I generally think he has a strong hand and is thinking of best way to get value, or what have you...before he makes his action.

Of course, eventual reads and [censored] change this some...

but that's my general rule of hu. Quick call = weak hand, drawing hand, wants free showdown. Delay call = strongish hand, made hand, etc.

I've played a lot of HU, but this last summer I've really noticed this more/payed more attention to... and put in the most amount of hands I have at hu play, near 160k.

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I definitely agree. Quick calls from an opponent generally mean they're hoping to slow the bettor down and get to showdown as cheap as possible imo.

[Taylor Caby]

generally i pay attention to timing tells against weak to average players, and try to avoid them against good to very good players. i know when i play i do random pauses or quick actions, and i'm sure lots of other HSNL players do as well.

that said, if this is an averageish player, then i have a few points. you probably don't need to be making 150bb+ bluffs against mediocre competition to win. yeah, the bet might have positive expectation, but playing this type of style when you don't need to to beat a player is one of the reasons some HU players go crazy. (sorry, off topic)

against weaker to average players, pauses usually mean they are considering a number of options. the quick call is almost always a mediocre hand where as the pause really isn't a reliable indicator except for that they probably don't have a very mediocre 2nd or 3rd pair type hand, because they would have likely folded it quickly.

tc

[ikestoys]

I really, really want to troll this thread because of the [censored] you've talked to me about my tells, but whatever.

Quick calls - draw or weak hand
Quick checks - going for a c/r
Slow checks - hoping you check
Slow calls - could have anything really

[g-p]

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I really, really want to troll this thread because of the [censored] you've talked to me about my tells, but whatever.

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lol, i admit ive talked [censored] to you but the having tells on those call downs i made were jokes, i just thought i was good

[ikestoys]

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I really, really want to troll this thread because of the [censored] you've talked to me about my tells, but whatever.

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lol, i admit ive talked [censored] to you but the having tells on those call downs i made were jokes, i just thought i was good

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oh i know

[Micturition Man]

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I really, really want to troll this thread because of the [censored] you've talked to me about my tells, but whatever.

Quick calls - draw or weak hand
Quick checks - going for a c/r
Slow checks - hoping you check
Slow calls - could have anything really

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The bolded two are very reliable for limit flop games, especially the rapid check going for a check-raise. I've made some sick checks behind based on this.

[bigt2k4]

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I really, really want to troll this thread because of the [censored] you've talked to me about my tells, but whatever.

Quick calls - draw or weak hand
Quick checks - going for a c/r
Slow checks - hoping you check
Slow calls - could have anything really

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The bolded two are very reliable for limit flop games, especially the rapid check going for a check-raise. I've made some sick checks behind based on this.

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disagree with the bolded things