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Old 10-24-2007, 03:55 PM
SpleenLSD SpleenLSD is offline
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Both big and short stacks have certain advantages, but "bullying" is way overstated.

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I agree. "Bullying" is more of a tournament concept where, once you're felted, you have little else to do than made your way to the cash games and look for someone to moan to about the beat you just took.

This part of the discussion is kinda OT here since it applies to the B&M and online environment, but thanks to OP for the update.
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Old 10-24-2007, 09:15 PM
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Look...all of you people with your arguments of EV such and such..and shortstack etc and taking away his depth and all this other technical mumbo jumbo...nobody has addressed the INDISPUTABLE fact that mikech provided with his example:

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you guys are crazy. it's like the time on "high stakes poker" when brad booth bought in for a coooool million. he had nothing and phil ivey had pocket kings, he just shoved all-in with his massive stack and ivey had to fold. prima facie evidence right there.

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In case you haven't seen the hand, Brad Booth bought in for a cool million and when Phil Ivey picked up KK, Brad Booth raised to a million on the flop in a 300/600NL game and Ivey really couldn't do anything but fold to the big stack. If a player like PHIL IVEY is at a disadvantage vs someone who buys in for a good deep healthy amount, then how can you shortstacks think buying into a 5/10nl for 1k is normal and doesn't place you at an immediate disadvantage?
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Old 10-24-2007, 09:33 PM
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my head hurts.....
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Old 10-25-2007, 11:15 AM
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Look...all of you people with your arguments of EV such and such..and shortstack etc and taking away his depth and all this other technical mumbo jumbo...nobody has addressed the INDISPUTABLE fact that mikech provided with his example:

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you guys are crazy. it's like the time on "high stakes poker" when brad booth bought in for a coooool million. he had nothing and phil ivey had pocket kings, he just shoved all-in with his massive stack and ivey had to fold. prima facie evidence right there.

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In case you haven't seen the hand, Brad Booth bought in for a cool million and when Phil Ivey picked up KK, Brad Booth raised to a million on the flop in a 300/600NL game and Ivey really couldn't do anything but fold to the big stack. If a player like PHIL IVEY is at a disadvantage vs someone who buys in for a good deep healthy amount, then how can you shortstacks think buying into a 5/10nl for 1k is normal and doesn't place you at an immediate disadvantage?

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Please think about this.

What if Brad had started the hand with exactly the same number of chips as Phil? They saw the flop, and Brad bets all in. Could Phil call then? How is his decision any different than in the situation you mentioned? He is still being put to a decision for all his chips.
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Old 10-25-2007, 11:36 AM
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my head hurts.....

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We are being leveled.... I think.
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Old 10-25-2007, 11:38 AM
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I hope we are...for all of our sakes.
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Old 10-25-2007, 08:10 PM
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I don't think they're leveling. Plenty of people actually think this way. That's why Ed Miller has a column about it in the latest CardPlayer (not yet online so I can't post a link yet).

Here's my attempt at explaining it. If Brad Booth (or anyone) bought into my local 1/2NL game for a $1M (assume it was unlimited), he doesn't scare me and my $100 any more than another good player with $101. I only have to worry about my $100, not the $999,990 that I don't even have. Maybe I'm even scared less because if I know he's going all in on a wider range of hands (i.e., playing big stack poker), I am more confident my hand is good if I call with something like QQ. I only have to analyze that one hand that I have against his all in. If he does it to me again later, it will still be a decision for my $100, $200, or whatever it will be at the time -- independent of whatever happened before. I'll be glad to call him all day in a cash game when I think I usually have the best hand. If you don't believe you would look forward to every situation like that, please read TOP again.

I'm not saying that's how Booth would play it. He wasn't playing big stack poker in the hand with Ivey either. In that hand, it was one of the first hands Booth played. Phil said it himself -- he didn't know how Booth was playing. If he continued to push his stack around, Phil or someone else would eventually snap off one of his bluffs. He took advantage of a particular situation, not his big stack.
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Old 10-25-2007, 08:25 PM
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I don't think they're leveling. Plenty of people actually think this way. That's why Ed Miller has a column about it in the latest CardPlayer.

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blah blah chow meow, appeal to authority, yada yada. until ed miller plays brad booth hu4rollz i think i'll side with yukon as the expert on nlhe. LFISGD baby!
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Old 10-25-2007, 08:40 PM
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i just want to point out that you don't get to be a dealer without having a deep and nuanced understanding of the game,

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huh??

Here the requirements to deal poker at Foxwoods (notice even a high school GED is 'prefered', not required) They're also currently advertising for new dealers on the radio, specifically stating that no poker or gambling experience is required...

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Old 10-25-2007, 08:57 PM
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If Brad Booth (or anyone) bought into my local 1/2NL game for a $1M (assume it was unlimited), he doesn't scare me and my $100 any more than another good player with $101. I only have to worry about my $100, not the $999,990 that I don't even have.

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This is all good and fine, but when you sit at a table full of these guys, you are a one-trick pony. You cant limp, cant bluff, cant even standard raise. All you can do is wait for a big hand, get your money in, and pray it holds up.
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