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#31
11-19-2007, 12:01 PM
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Re: Interesting multipart hand in FTOPS main event.
3bet this river all day, your hand is incredibly under-repped - I think the times he has KQ/horribly played sets outweigh the times he has a bigger flush by a lot ...
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#32
11-19-2007, 12:29 PM
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Re: Interesting multipart hand in FTOPS main event.
bet 450 on turn
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#33
11-19-2007, 01:28 PM
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Re: Interesting multipart hand in FTOPS main event.
3bet pf. I think Ansky is right that it will be tought to turn a profit OOP here and I never fold 78s 150bbs deep so 3bet.
On the flop I probably c/c c/r is pretty meh if he folds to the flop c/r you can prob take it away from him on a later street anyways. On the turn as played lead villain is rarely betting let him call. Once you get to the river I think its a raise just make it like 5k or w/e he's never folding and you have the best hand an awful lot.
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#34
11-19-2007, 01:35 PM
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Re: Interesting multipart hand in FTOPS main event.
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[ QUOTE ] youre thinking about things all wrong if you want to c/r this turn [/ QUOTE ] can you explain why? my first thought as i read the turn was to c/r.. [/ QUOTE ] you get more value from hands by betting turn and riv than c/r turn and hoping they call riv. not many hands bet call turn and call a river bet, but alot of hands will call two bets into them. also giving a freecard sucks
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#35
11-19-2007, 03:47 PM
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Re: Interesting multipart hand in FTOPS main event.
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3bet pf. I think Ansky is right that it will be tought to turn a profit OOP here and I never fold 78s 150bbs deep so 3bet. [/ QUOTE ] You guys are all a bunch of spew monkeys. The more BBs you have, the more position matters, and the more you should fold. Flat call my CO raises from the SB w/87s, 150BBs deep, and I will eat you for dinner and dispose you in the toilet during the 5 min breaks.
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#36
11-19-2007, 03:52 PM
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Re: Interesting multipart hand in FTOPS main event.
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[ QUOTE ] 3bet pf. I think Ansky is right that it will be tought to turn a profit OOP here and I never fold 78s 150bbs deep so 3bet. [/ QUOTE ] You guys are all a bunch of spew monkeys. The more BBs you have, the more position matters, and the more you should fold. Flat call my CO raises from the SB w/87s, 150BBs deep, and I will eat you for dinner and dispose you in the toilet during the 5 min breaks. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is absurd and a call here is slightly -EV if that and it's ridiculously high variance, in the shortrun, just like playing deepstacks anywhere else. High variance plays in the right hands in an MTT aren't that bad because of hidden benefits of having a big stack. If you think this is so ridiculously -EV, are you folding JTs? KQs? I'd be surprised if the EV difference was that huge.
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#37
11-19-2007, 03:59 PM
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Re: Interesting multipart hand in FTOPS main event.
JTs and KQs are significantly better than 87s gobbo.
Also, I think going for a check raise on the turn is real bad. When he checks behind on the flop, he is very likely to check behind again on the turn. His most likely hands are marginal hands w/ decent showdown value, that if they bet they are very likely to fold to a raise. If you bet and bet again however, he is very likely to try to snap you off. Check raising this turn would be ok if it set up a ~ pot sized river bet, but given how deep we are it doesn't really work. Also, regarding preflop: Gobbo might be able to make a profit here, there are plenty of ppl who can. My point was merely that too many ppl seem to think that 130bbs deep or whatever this is is "DEEP" stacks, when it really isn't. You do not magically have implied odds vs big hands when you call here out of the small blind. POSITION IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
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#38
11-19-2007, 05:16 PM
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Re: Interesting multipart hand in FTOPS main event.
I agree with the posts saying I should bet the turn. I even told myself recently that I should stop bluffing the turn in spots like this because they always have a marginal hand that's calling one turn bet. I need to start doing it with hands I actually want to get value out of. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
Betting turn and c/r'ing river would've been a much better way to c/r at some point. I might not have c/r'ed the river though, it depends. I just called the river and he turned up A2s. I might still just call but it's quite close.
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#40
11-19-2007, 05:26 PM
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Re: Interesting multipart hand in FTOPS main event.
Gobbo,
FWIW I think two barreling turn and river here is good and betting turn and c/ring river is really sexy although I think people will look you up lighter than me because you have that image even though it isn't true. It's so rigged that he had A2s and not 22 otherwise I would have had such a sick soulread earlier.
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