Is this a set?

Khaos4k · #1 08-20-2007, 11:22 AM

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UTG ($88.95)
Hero ($48.25)
Button ($47.25)
SB ($91.95)
BB ($53.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $2, Hero raises to $6, 3 folds, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($12.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7.5, UTG raises to $22, Hero

XHitman014 · #2 08-20-2007, 11:27 AM

I don't think the typical player raises a set like that. CR on the flop usually means some type of draw at NL50.

calmB4storm · #3 08-20-2007, 11:34 AM

Could be. Any reads are very helpful. Would he play this aggressively with draw, or is it definitely a made hand? AK is a strong possibility, maybe KQ if he's rather loose. He could also be making a stand with a lower pocket pair (99, TT, QQ). Against an unknown, I'd probably bet out $10 and shove after his raise. But if you know the villain is usually pretty passive, I think you can safely fold to his raise.

traz · #4 08-20-2007, 11:37 AM

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I don't think the typical player raises a set like that. CR on the flop usually means some type of draw at NL50.

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I'm not sure where people are getting this kind of information, but it's so wrong imo.

People cr sets all the time, and I really don't see that many cr's with draws.

EDIT-- That being said, raise a little more preflop, bet a little more on the flop, 4bet after his raise. Too many AK/draws here to fold imo.

mattnxtc · #5 08-20-2007, 11:55 AM

Its not kings often with no reraise preflop though a tricky player may have done that.

Jacks are a possiblity.

KJ is a possibility though he would have to be pretty loose to call the 3 bet preflop with kj

AK this is pretty likely

Im pushing personally in this situation.

Eric Yang · #6 08-20-2007, 11:59 AM

Im pretty sure these are jacks, two pair is pretty unlikely. If he had tptk I think he would have either raised or check called. pm with what he had please [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

mattnxtc · #7 08-20-2007, 12:51 PM

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Im pretty sure these are jacks, two pair is pretty unlikely. If he had tptk I think he would have either raised or check called. pm with what he had please [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Dont like this at all. You are narrowing his hand down way to much.

Why wouldnt ak go for the c/r against the op?

You are correct that Jacks are in his range but to say just that hand is not correct. You need to think in ranges.

corsakh · #8 08-20-2007, 01:08 PM

Yes its a set all the time, please open fold preflop for metagame.

XHitman014 · #9 08-20-2007, 01:38 PM

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I don't think the typical player raises a set like that. CR on the flop usually means some type of draw at NL50.

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I'm not sure where people are getting this kind of information, but it's so wrong imo.

People cr sets all the time, and I really don't see that many cr's with draws.

EDIT-- That being said, raise a little more preflop, bet a little more on the flop, 4bet after his raise. Too many AK/draws here to fold imo.

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It's been my experience that people love to slowplay sets and look to stack-a-donk/CRAI on the turn. This has been changing recently though as the skill level keeps rising. The average donk though still does something silly like min check raise or something lame like that.

Obviously in this hand, AK hits squarely in his range and make this hand profitable to play even without the draws present but, in general, if villians aren't playing draws aggresively, 4-betting on the flop with AA would not be profitable and we'd always be behind to two pair & sets...so either everyone is overplaying top pair against you or you see people play draws aggresively more often than you think [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

#10 08-20-2007, 01:39 PM

is there a default play at spots like this? i don't think so.