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Old 10-23-2007, 11:06 PM
HoldEmNewby HoldEmNewby is offline
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Default Top pair gets raised on turn

Villain runs at 11/7 I think this is an easy fold. Anyone disagree? If villain was a 32/20 do you call turn raise?

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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BTN: $60.66
SB: $66.48
BB: $69.33
Hero (UTG): $53.99
CO: $49.25

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.25</font>, BTN calls $3.25

Turn: ($11.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $16</font>, Hero????
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Old 10-23-2007, 11:12 PM
svidrigailov svidrigailov is offline
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Default Re: Top pair gets raised on turn

I wouldn't call the turn raise solely on stats of 32/20, it would depend more on observed hands, since some lagfish can easily spew pre and play passively post.
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Old 10-23-2007, 11:18 PM
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Default Re: Top pair gets raised on turn

Easy fold with stats of 11/7. At 32/20 it depends on how much he is coming over the top like that.
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Old 10-23-2007, 11:21 PM
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Default Re: Top pair gets raised on turn

Can't say because 32/20 doesn't tell you anything about how they play the turn after calling a c-bet. I'd fold to a 32/20 if that's all I had on him.
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Old 10-23-2007, 11:27 PM
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Default Re: Top pair gets raised on turn

32/20 makes it more likely he can be doing this with QK/QJ but you cant call only on that.
Generally a raise on the turn from a TAG/good player is more then 1 pair. This looks most like 88 or hes raising with any pair not believing you. 88/any 5 is a huge part of villians range though.
However if you believe villian could be stepping out of line based on reads, I look him up here and fold to a big river bet.
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Old 10-23-2007, 11:30 PM
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Default Re: Top pair gets raised on turn

Do you have any kind of feel for this person's post-flop game? The turn raise doesn't look right to me. Without having played with this player it's extremely difficult for me to say... how long have you been at table and what do you think your image is? If you call basically playing for stacks because he should shove river pretty wide. You'd miss value if he checks behind with QJ or something. But, I don't think those type hands raise turn much.

IMO this is mostly a five or a bluff. You'll have to play for stacks to find out. There are many circumstances where I will call, c/c (or re-eval in general) river without hesitation in this spot. If you don't think he's making a move very often then clear fold.
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Old 10-24-2007, 01:02 AM
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Default Re: Top pair gets raised on turn

Good old Baluga thereom - TPTK is no good on a turn CR

Villian would have to be check raising quite a bit to make me want to call down here.
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