AK flops top pair 200bb deep

[prodonkey]

i'm oop here, no checking behind

[EMc]

pro,

I thought your villian was the SB. Hmmm I need to read better. Ill rethink this.

[svidrigailov]

I would call the flop raise to avoid playing a big pot OOP. If we bet the turn as played I don't think we're getting any value. Against a complete donk, sure, but our turn bet here would look like a set, overpair, TPGK or spades - it shouldn't be that hard for him to play against (fold marginal hands and push the top of his range).

[CrAcK_N_CoKe]

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it went check check on the turn.. river was another spade.. anyone bluff here?

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Well if you had AK or AA with the ace of spade you would have fire again on the turn so bluffing the 4th river spade isnt a good idea IMO if your opponant is smart.

If i was vilain i probably would call you with any decent spade seriously , but again im curious to see what vilain had.

[creamfillin]

I hate the flop 3B. We're 200bb deep and we have TPTK not a set. I feel this is just going to let him shove his big hands that have us crushed and get away from hands like KQ.

[bung]

I think b/folding is best here. By checking you may induce a bluff and fold the best hand, unless you plan to call. By betting you can get value from KxQs and protect against one card FD. We're usually ahead of his pre-flop CCing range, and flop raise/calling range here, ex.Kx, bluff, and behind a flsh draw /set. A set shvs flp as do most FDs.

[bung]

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I hate the flop 3B. We're 200bb deep and we have TPTK not a set. I feel this is just going to let him shove his big hands that have us crushed and get away from hands like KQ.

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I agree. There's not much value in 3-betting flop here. Plus we're oop. I'd rather get value from Kx here. Turn is a tough call if he bets though, and I could probably fold if he bets.

[creamfillin]

How can we b/f here? A third of the effective stacks are already in the middle here.. After we 3-bet the flop and get called 3-way, the last thing that happens on the turn is an induced bluff. If he bets here we are beat 90% of the time.

[Chomp]

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We've got into a tough spot, we get minraised on the flop which is a strange line to take if villan had a set so im not to concerned about a set.


Mainly combo draws or just FD. We're also deep, so my main thought at the start of the hand would be to avoid a very large pot.

So i'd rather call the flop, then a bad card hits on the turn so unfortuantly ive not charged villan very much to hit the flush however now i dont feel so pot commited.

I think you should give up, i dont think your image will of skewed villans play so much that he has anything less than KQ here.

The draw has completed,if you bet now you cant really fold... can we? Expensive if we do, and what if we then get called?

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Nice post NL Newbie. Agree with all of that.

[bung]

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After we 3-bet the flop and get called 3-way, the last thing that happens on the turn is an induced bluff.

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We don't get called 3-way. We get called by villain who tanks for awhile and then calls.