Straightforward or "wow"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand

[luckyjimm]

Obviously the key here is that sd743 checks the turn, in position, when the flush hits. 1Ryu, then, doesn't believe he has it - and, in fact, isn't giving him credit for a set or straight, either.

It was obviously a very read-dependent call - 1Ryu jut didn't think his opponent had anything. But I can't see much that sd743 would have called the flop with that wouldn't be beating 1Ryu by the river. And isn't sd743 more likely to have hit the nut flush on the turn, and be slowplaying it, than to have just air?


PokerStars Game #12302338360: Omaha Pot Limit ($25/$50) - 2007/09/27 - 15:29:37 (ET)
Table 'Athor V' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: sd743 ($3233 in chips)
Seat 2: socutiesf ($1242 in chips)
Seat 3: Skilled G ($10097 in chips)
Seat 4: puntobanco ($2243.50 in chips)
Seat 5: jessica88 ($3308.50 in chips)
Seat 6: 1Ryu ($2326 in chips)
jessica88: posts small blind $25
1Ryu: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
sd743: calls $50
socutiesf: folds
Skilled G: folds
puntobanco: folds
jessica88: calls $25
1Ryu: raises $100 to $150
sd743: calls $100
jessica88: calls $100
*** FLOP *** [4d 7d 6c]
jessica88: checks
1Ryu: bets $447
sd743: calls $447
jessica88: folds
*** TURN *** [4d 7d 6c] [Jd]
1Ryu: checks
sd743: checks
*** RIVER *** [4d 7d 6c Jd] [Kh]
1Ryu: checks
sd743: bets $1341
1Ryu: calls $1341
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sd743: shows [8h Ah 9c Kc] (a pair of Kings)
1Ryu: shows [7h 9h 4c 8d] (two pair, Sevens and Fours)
1Ryu collected $4023 from pot
1Ryu said, "ty"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4026 | Rake $3
Board [4d 7d 6c Jd Kh]
Seat 1: sd743 showed [8h Ah 9c Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: socutiesf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Skilled G folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: puntobanco (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jessica88 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: 1Ryu (big blind) showed [7h 9h 4c 8d] and won ($4023) with two pair, Sevens and Fours

[luckyjimm]

Basically the only hand Ryu beats is the one his opponent has.

sd743 is scared of a check-raise from the flush so doesn't bluff the turn. But on the river, he decides to bluff since Ryu wouldn't have checked the flush on two streets.

Since Ryu raised preflop, his flop bet could have been a continuation bet with a high pair, which unimproved he would fold to a river pot on this scary board.

It is a pretty obvious bluff. I like much more a turn check and river bet when you DO have the nut flush, as your opponent will remember your turn check, think you are weak, and look you up with a set, straight etc.

[cmyr]

Ryu's reasoning is probably "villain will bet any hand he expects to win at showdown and every hand that will never win at showdown, and I am getting 2:1 on my call." Against a villian who won't check behind with a sure loser this line isn't that bad with any hand that can beat a bluff, and ryu's hand can beat most bluffs. villian isn't (likely to be) betting here with a straight or a set, so his range is narrowed significantly.


I'm giving ryu credit here, but this is a line of reasoning that is fair and that explains the action.

[gordo16]

Ryu is a garbage player.... Just a stubborn, foolish call..

[Elrazor]

its a great call in a vacume but i know opponents where i would snap call this getting 2-1

[Ribbo]

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Ryu is a garbage player.... Just a stubborn, foolish call..

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Ive played a lot of 10/20 on party with Ryu, he shoves preflop way too much with garbage like KKT9 and KQJT when it's obvious he is up against aces every time.
He even tries to 3 bet bluff flushes against rock gardens when they raise him on a paint board.

[roggles]

Just to clarify, you mean that KQJT is garbage in context right?

[chucky]

KQJT is a weak wrap versus aces because the aces block a significant portion of your straight possibilities.

[Ribbo]

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KQJT is a weak wrap versus aces because the aces block a significant portion of your straight possibilities.

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yes, 5678 makes more straights than KQJT anyway.

[cts]

ryu is terrible lol