river bluff

[Casper05]

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prob is there arent a tremendous amt of Q combos in your range (i wouldnt think). qts/qjs/kq/etc i guess.

[/ QUOTE ] Are these hands really in his range here more than like 1/3-1/2 the time versus a solid TAG's UTG open? If all of those are in your range 100% of the time, then I guess it is ok.

[Bukem_]

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this board is pretty [censored] for our hand.

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turn really only improves 9t and floating kj. but gives a lot of 2nd best hands a reason to call a big turn bet.

If I wanted to bluff I'd bet turn and follow up on most river.

[Acaccini]

this would look like a queen with average kicked calling flop, checking turn for pot control, and trying to extract on river when villian checks last 2 streets clearly indicating he has a scared pair or nothing, however, Q10 would bet turn and fold to a raise, QJ would make sence, KQ would bet turn, i just really cant see what your repping by the river, unless your a really tricky player who gives free cards, the turn was the best spot to bet for value and then value bet on river like half pot.

[FGators]

tannen,

how are you not repping the hand you have (i.e. suited connector clubs)?

[tannenj]

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tannen,

how are you not repping the hand you have (i.e. suited connector clubs)?

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this is fairly simple hand reading. clubs don't bet the river because a third club didn't hit. i have air if i have clubs, so why would i bet? hand reading 101 -- it doesn't make sense to assume someone's bluffing unless you have a reason to believe it's the case. fish tend to bet the river with missed draws because they often don't realize they're repping nothing. when a thinking tag bets the river in a spot like this, it makes no sense to put him on a missed draw (unless there are levels of thinking taking place -- it's for this reason that i did actually have a missed draw this time).