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#91
08-13-2007, 05:21 PM
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Re: how big a scumbag is my friend? you decide
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i can't believe this thread is happening on a gambling site. OP: post this in sports betting forum here and see what they say. (spoiler: they'll tell you that the person who demanded his money was correct) [/ QUOTE ] Sure, if I bet the No on "Will the AL win the all-star game" at Bodog and it ended in a tie, I'd be looking to get paid. If I made an off-the-cuff bet with a friend for $2 for which it was pretty damn clear that a tie was a push, I wouldn't be demanding to be paid $2, even though technically I may have won the bet. [/ QUOTE ] i think baseball is a bad example because ties "aren't possible" in golf match play/skins ties are common and are totally accepted as being different from winning the hole. i dunno, if i was golfing and I said "i bet X doesn't win this hole" i would mean "halve or lose" if you said "there's between 40 and 50 jellybeans in the jar" and there were actually 50 i could see there being an argument. but the fact that in golf win/halve/lose are three common and distinct outcomes make this pretty clear cut in my eyes. [/ QUOTE ] the all star game ended in a tie a few years ago. [/ QUOTE ] which is why i put "aren't possible" in quotes.... the tie was an unexpected outcome outside the rules which is why i think that it's different than a golf hole where a tie is a common, distinct occurrence from a win 
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#92
08-13-2007, 05:24 PM
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Re: how big a scumbag is my friend? you decide
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i can't believe this thread is happening on a gambling site. OP: post this in sports betting forum here and see what they say. (spoiler: they'll tell you that the person who demanded his money was correct) [/ QUOTE ] Sure, if I bet the No on "Will the AL win the all-star game" at Bodog and it ended in a tie, I'd be looking to get paid. If I made an off-the-cuff bet with a friend for $2 for which it was pretty damn clear that a tie was a push, I wouldn't be demanding to be paid $2, even though technically I may have won the bet. [/ QUOTE ] i think baseball is a bad example because ties "aren't possible" in golf match play/skins ties are common and are totally accepted as being different from winning the hole. i dunno, if i was golfing and I said "i bet X doesn't win this hole" i would mean "halve or lose" if you said "there's between 40 and 50 jellybeans in the jar" and there were actually 50 i could see there being an argument. but the fact that in golf win/halve/lose are three common and distinct outcomes make this pretty clear cut in my eyes. [/ QUOTE ] the all star game ended in a tie a few years ago. [/ QUOTE ] which is why i put "aren't possible" in quotes.... [/ QUOTE ] okay, so what about my post are you disagreeing with? i am simply saying that against a sportsbook i would be pushing every edge and when betting against friends if something wasn't made perfectly clear in the definition of the bet i would call it a push and move on to the next bet.
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#93
08-13-2007, 05:25 PM
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Re: how big a scumbag is my friend? you decide
homer, sorry, edited my post
[ QUOTE ] the baseball tie was an unexpected outcome outside the rules of the game which is why i think that it's different than a golf hole where a tie is a common, distinct occurrence from a win [/ QUOTE ]
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#94
08-13-2007, 05:31 PM
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Re: how big a scumbag is my friend? you decide
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i can't believe this thread is happening on a gambling site. OP: post this in sports betting forum here and see what they say. (spoiler: they'll tell you that the person who demanded his money was correct) [/ QUOTE ] Sure, if I bet the No on "Will the AL win the all-star game" at Bodog and it ended in a tie, I'd be looking to get paid. If I made an off-the-cuff bet with a friend for $2 for which it was pretty damn clear that a tie was a push, I wouldn't be demanding to be paid $2, even though technically I may have won the bet. [/ QUOTE ] i think baseball is a bad example because ties "aren't possible" in golf match play/skins ties are common and are totally accepted as being different from winning the hole. i dunno, if i was golfing and I said "i bet X doesn't win this hole" i would mean "halve or lose" if you said "there's between 40 and 50 jellybeans in the jar" and there were actually 50 i could see there being an argument. but the fact that in golf win/halve/lose are three common and distinct outcomes make this pretty clear cut in my eyes. [/ QUOTE ] the all star game ended in a tie a few years ago. [/ QUOTE ] This is probably the nittiest post in the history of the interweb. DUCY?
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#95
08-13-2007, 05:43 PM
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Re: how big a scumbag is my friend? you decide
Those that are calling it an "angleshoot" are wrong because he's not using some technicality to demand his money. The bet is clear as day, so its not an "angleshoot," its "enforcing the outcome" or "following the rules" or "paying the winner" or whatever else you want to call it.
If you want to argue that he should have understood that there was a misunderstanding - how that could be, I don't know, the bet really is THAT clear - fine. And if you think he should let his buddy slide because of the misunderstanding and the reaction demanding the money will provoke, fine, and I agree with that. But it doesn't sound to me like he's being shady or manipulative or anything like that when it comes down to the actual bet. Its just the sand in the crack of his buddies and their idiocy that's causing the friction.
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#96
08-13-2007, 05:49 PM
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Re: how big a scumbag is my friend? you decide
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] someone said it earlier, but there are two types of gamblers, those that think it is some "noble endeavor" and those thing encourage angle shoots, and winning by wording. The latter is usually much much more fun, and more profitable. [/ QUOTE ] To me, the people who have enough common sense to understand the spirit of the bet, especially when it comes to their friends, are the ones who are most fun to gamble with. The others play a semantics game which gets old and annoying after about five minutes. If you think you're a better golfer than I, put your money where your mouth is, instead of "I'll bet you five bucks I won't not sink this ball not in the cup." [ QUOTE ] You guys are all wrong. It's a total angleshoot and he's a scumbag for collecting. If he really thought that he would win on a tie, HE should clarify since its obvious the other parties did not think this is what the bet meant. This is the only right answer, I can't believe so many of your got it wrong. There should be no hustling of friends. [/ QUOTE ] qft [/ QUOTE ] gambling is an exercise of the brain, nothing more or nothing less imo, and not something to "prove" how good you are at a specific event to anyone. [/ QUOTE ] Sure, if that's all it is to you, then I can see your argument. Have you ever had a good time at a blackjack table? A lot of us, again especially with friends, gamble not solely for profit but also to get a little extra entertainment out of the activity or to make something more exciting. Most of this is lost when the winner of the bet is not based on the activity, but of the wording of the prop.
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#97
08-13-2007, 05:52 PM
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Re: how big a scumbag is my friend? you decide
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] someone said it earlier, but there are two types of gamblers, those that think it is some "noble endeavor" and those thing encourage angle shoots, and winning by wording. The latter is usually much much more fun, and more profitable. [/ QUOTE ] To me, the people who have enough common sense to understand the spirit of the bet, especially when it comes to their friends, are the ones who are most fun to gamble with. The others play a semantics game which gets old and annoying after about five minutes. If you think you're a better golfer than I, put your money where your mouth is, instead of "I'll bet you five bucks I won't not sink this ball not in the cup." [ QUOTE ] You guys are all wrong. It's a total angleshoot and he's a scumbag for collecting. If he really thought that he would win on a tie, HE should clarify since its obvious the other parties did not think this is what the bet meant. This is the only right answer, I can't believe so many of your got it wrong. There should be no hustling of friends. [/ QUOTE ] qft [/ QUOTE ] gambling is an exercise of the brain, nothing more or nothing less imo, and not something to "prove" how good you are at a specific event to anyone. [/ QUOTE ] Sure, if that's all it is to you, then I can see your argument. Have you ever had a good time at a blackjack table? A lot of us, again especially with friends, gamble not solely for profit but also to get a little extra entertainment out of the activity or to make something more exciting. Most of this is lost when the winner of the bet is not based on the activity, but of the wording of the prop. [/ QUOTE ] Ive only gambled twice in a casino other than poker, once was on my 21st bday in tunica, and the other time was about a month ago, and mainly I just watched my buddy play craps, while drinking free drinks. Gambling w/o an edge is just not fun to me, so I guess thats where the discrepency is.
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#98
08-13-2007, 05:55 PM
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Re: how big a scumbag is my friend? you decide
This is a piece of crap thread. The bet was clearly won. There should be no issue. But this was gold:
[ QUOTE ] 2 dollars? Are you friends' names Mortimer and Randolph? [/ QUOTE ]
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#99
08-13-2007, 06:12 PM
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Re: how big a scumbag is my friend? you decide
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i can't believe this thread is happening on a gambling site. OP: post this in sports betting forum here and see what they say. (spoiler: they'll tell you that the person who demanded his money was correct) [/ QUOTE ] Sure, if I bet the No on "Will the AL win the all-star game" at Bodog and it ended in a tie, I'd be looking to get paid. If I made an off-the-cuff bet with a friend for $2 for which it was pretty damn clear that a tie was a push, I wouldn't be demanding to be paid $2, even though technically I may have won the bet. [/ QUOTE ] i think baseball is a bad example because ties "aren't possible" in golf match play/skins ties are common and are totally accepted as being different from winning the hole. i dunno, if i was golfing and I said "i bet X doesn't win this hole" i would mean "halve or lose" if you said "there's between 40 and 50 jellybeans in the jar" and there were actually 50 i could see there being an argument. but the fact that in golf win/halve/lose are three common and distinct outcomes make this pretty clear cut in my eyes. [/ QUOTE ] the all star game ended in a tie a few years ago. [/ QUOTE ] This is probably the nittiest post in the history of the interweb. DUCY? [/ QUOTE ] my point was that i would gladly take a win from a sportsbook on a technicality, but would not do so from a friend. i now understand what mason was saying about a tie being commonplace in golf, as opposed to in my example (though that was really irrelevant to the point i was trying to make -- albeit rather poorly, apparently). why people feel the need to take uncalled for jabs at other posters in what are otherwise civil threads is beyond me. it is quite obvious i wasn't being nitty and merely missed the quotes around "aren't possible".
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#100
08-13-2007, 06:17 PM
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Re: how big a scumbag is my friend? you decide
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[ QUOTE ] You guys are all wrong. It's a total angleshoot and he's a scumbag for collecting. If he really thought that he would win on a tie, HE should clarify since its obvious the other parties did not think this is what the bet meant. This is the only right answer, I can't believe so many of your got it wrong. There should be no hustling of friends. [/ QUOTE ] took a lot of posts to get to the correct one. somewhat sad reflection on the poker community imo. not that i think people who disagree are dishonest or bad people, but in a friendly setting if things are worded loosely, trying to sucker/angleshoot is just lame. [/ QUOTE ] How easy would it be for someone to use this kind of "spirit of the bet" logic to angle shoot someone in a different way? In my opinion the friend who isn't paying is the one angling. Bets are bets, you pay attention to the wording, and shake hands or whatever, and that's that.
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