Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for November!

[Absolution]

I played live 3/6 last night for the first time. yourface was playing 6/12 at another table. I'm pretty sure that game is crushable even with the rake. I ended up down about 1BB for the night (down on table games while I waited for a seat though) thanks to some 1 and 2 outers in decently sized pots.

Fun stuff:

- When I first sat down some laggy asian guy was on my right and was all gamboooool and would raise every time I raised. I ended up capping him in multiway pots twice and missed the flop both times. He eventually left after his random cards couldn't take down 5 way pots.

- One guy flopped a fullhouse against aces. Of course, he slowplayed until the river and then when 4 to a straight and the flush draw came in on the river he threw his hands up and let out a groan like he was upset. So, the guy with aces bets and the guy with the full house raises. Haha.

- It was rare to have a pot be 3-bet post-flop. Even when they had the nuts (or close to it) there would generally only be one raise and a call. I had flush over flush against one guy and could only raise him once. I also had a full house over a flush against another guy and he didn't raise me either. They always assume you have a better hand if you raise.

- The game eventually got down to short-handed and even 4 handed for a while in the early morning and we got reduced rake. This was a great game, but that's when the 1 and 2 outers hit. Eventually the 6/12 game broke and some more aggressive guys sat with us. An intimidating bald guy sat to my left, pretended like he didn't understand how to bet, told me about how he has only played against his grandma and then proceeded to play every pot and raise most of them. Here's a nice hand against him:

He's UTG and limps. 2434252 other limpers. I'm in the BB with ATo and check.

The flop comes KJx with two spades and my ace is the spades. UTG bets 244525 calls and I call.

The turn is an A. I donk bet, he calls, everybody else folds.

The river is a 6 or something, I bet, he asks the dealer "can I raise now?". He raises, I instacall and he shows J5o or something.

- You always have AK if you raised pre-flop and don't bet the flop.

[MicroBob]

glad you had a good time abso.
Your experience is pretty typical.
You should play when there are real crazies there!!

I've played with guys who never looked at their cards until showdown. They just kept betting and had no idea until they end that they had 63o unimproved.

Or other guys who are so drunk they can't see their own hole-cards and then show you their misse flush-draw before they muck having no idea that they had a straight that would have won the hand.

Yes, live games are funny and weird.

[yourface]

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I played live 3/6 last night for the first time. yourface was playing 6/12 at another table. I'm pretty sure that game is crushable even with the rake. I ended up down about 1BB for the night (down on table games while I waited for a seat though) thanks to some 1 and 2 outers in decently sized pots.

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6/12 was pretty soft too though not as extreme as 3/6. some trucker who didn't understand the mechanics of the game showed up for a while and took everyones money while buying rounds for the table. nice guy

I ended up +15 bets or so thanks to some big hands in my last round at the table. details are hazy as I had a lot to drink but aces full vs the nut flush features prominently

my buddy made 20 bets or something. ed miller has done a lot for his game but he still refuses to fold QXs KXs type hands in any position when there hasn't been a raise

[thepizzlefosho]

question: I just had some goofy guy at a 1/2NL table tell me what he believed my winrates were at various levels of poker. His information sounded somewhat accurate, but was obviously only from FTP since he had me as a loser at 10/20 (which I am at FTP but winning enough at AP 10/20 that I think I'm breaking even right now). where do you find cash game winrates online for people?

[Absolution]

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question: I just had some goofy guy at a 1/2NL table tell me what he believed my winrates were at various levels of poker. His information sounded somewhat accurate, but was obviously only from FTP since he had me as a loser at 10/20 (which I am at FTP but winning enough at AP 10/20 that I think I'm breaking even right now). where do you find cash game winrates online for people?

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Data mining?

[thepizzlefosho]

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question: I just had some goofy guy at a 1/2NL table tell me what he believed my winrates were at various levels of poker. His information sounded somewhat accurate, but was obviously only from FTP since he had me as a loser at 10/20 (which I am at FTP but winning enough at AP 10/20 that I think I'm breaking even right now). where do you find cash game winrates online for people?

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Data mining?

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eh maybe, but this guy didn't seem like he new that most of my hands were in limit and not no limit. Makes me think he was looking at something on a webpage and not in a PT database since I have never seen him play in any of the limit games.

are there services that datamine the games 24/7 and provide the info for people?

[Absolution]

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I played live 3/6 last night for the first time. yourface was playing 6/12 at another table. I'm pretty sure that game is crushable even with the rake. I ended up down about 1BB for the night (down on table games while I waited for a seat though) thanks to some 1 and 2 outers in decently sized pots.

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6/12 was pretty soft too though not as extreme as 3/6. some trucker who didn't understand the mechanics of the game showed up for a while and took everyones money while buying rounds for the table. nice guy

I ended up +15 bets or so thanks to some big hands in my last round at the table. details are hazy as I had a lot to drink but aces full vs the nut flush features prominently

my buddy made 20 bets or something. ed miller has done a lot for his game but he still refuses to fold QXs KXs type hands in any position when there hasn't been a raise

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I was playing Kxs last night from late position, but you can do that when everybody sees the flop. His problem might be that he will get into trouble with them post-flop though. I probably played a little too loose pre-flop last night because of the rake.

[MicroBob]

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my buddy made 20 bets or something. ed miller has done a lot for his game but he still refuses to fold QXs KXs type hands in any position when there hasn't been a raise

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pretty common I think.
I tell somebody they need to tighten-up pre-flop and get more aggressive. Stop limping and cold-calling so much, raise more.
He's improved from his 40/10'ish days but still can't stop himself from limping A4o from UTG much less call 2 bets from the HJ with 2 players from EP already in or something silly like that.

Guys who can't resist playing Kxs from EP or MP when it's still only 1 bet doesn't surprise me at all.

[mattnxtc]

I laughed...


Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
mattnxtc: $25.40
UTG+1: $9
CO: $32.90
Button: $24.70
SB: $40.55
BB: $15.90

Pre-flop: (6 players) mattnxtc is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">mattnxtc raises</font>, 3 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">mattnxtc raises</font>, SB calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">mattnxtc bets</font>, SB calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6.5BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, mattnxtc calls.

Results:
Final pot: 8.5BB
SB showed 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
mattnxtc mucks J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

[danzasmack]

all 10/20 6max. it's getting a little scary how bad i'm running.

variance: still up a good amount on the month.