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10-03-2007, 04:37 PM
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Commerce limit vs no limit games
A friend of mine, like me, is a mid limit player, but he told me the 2/5 NL game at the Commerce with a $1000 capped buy in (does that sound right?) is more lucrative with less variance than the 20/40 limit game. Anybody here familiar with both games with an opinion?
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10-03-2007, 11:00 PM
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Re: Commerce limit vs no limit games
You can find the answer below.
************************************************** ************************************************* Tables # of games in each cardrooms, with rake amount This information is collected by many 2+2 participants who lives in many different states. Any correction can be reported to jk90029@yahoo.com for future share by 2+2ers. 1. average number of tables at 9PM seven days. Obviously, more in weekend and less in weekdays. 2. buyin and stake 3.SB&BB 4.Limit or No-Limit 5. pot rake(preflop+postflop+jackpotdrop) or hourly time charge *)Names of cardrooms (#of poker tables, employees) are ordered from west to east coast. *)Only mid-limit games are listed, such as no-limit NLHE$200 or higher and limit LHE $5/$10 or higher. For lower limit than that, it may not be worth to play after the huge rake. *)'$600<buy' implies 'Initial byuins can be at least $600 or $600'. *) '($2/$5)' implies 'small blind $2 and big blind $5'. *)'$8/HH' implies '$8 mandatory collection per half hour'. *)'NFND' implies 'No flop, no drop'. Otherwise, $1 drop at preflop dealt. Commerce(160, 2400) commercecasino.com $1 increase from January 2007 (323)721-2100 x635 5 tables of $9/$18 LHE, no free meal 5 tables of $20/$40 LHE $8/HH, free meal 4 tables of $40/$80 LHE $9/HH, free meal 8 tables of $200buy ($3/$5) NLHE $1+$3+$1, free meal 10 tables of $400buy ($5/$10) NLHE $1+$4+$1, free meal 3 tables of $600<buy ($10/$20) NLHE $9 per HH, free meal Bicycle(110, 1700) thebicyclecasino.com (562)806-4646 x545 2 tables of $100buy ($2/$3) NLHE $4+$1, NFND, no free meal 3 tables of $200buy ($3/$5) NLHE $4+$1, NFND, free meal 2 tables of $300<buy<$500 ($5/$5) NLHE $4+$1, NFND, free meal 3 tables of $500<buy ($5/$10) NLHE $4+$1, NFND, free meal Hollywood Park(108) playhpc.com (310)330-2800 x2119 (800)888-HWP 5 tables of $100buy ($2/$3) NLHE $4+$1, NFND, no free meal 3 tables of $200buy ($3/$5) NLHE $4+$1, NFND, no free meal 3 tables of $400buy ($5/$10) NLHE $4+$1, NFND, no free meal Hawaiian Garden Hustler Phoenix, AZ NLHE prohibited byb state law Venetian venetian.com 2 tables of $100<buy<$1000 ($2/$5) NLHE $1 at $10/$20/$50/$90 (up to $4) 1 tables of $800buy ($10/$20) NLHE $7/HH Bellagio bellagio.com $200-$500 ($2/$5) NLHE 10% upto$4 $800buy ($10/$20) NLHE $7/HH $500buy ($30/$60) NLHE $6/HH $800buy ($40/$80) NLHE $7/HH $1000buy ($60/$120) NLHE $7/HH Mirage Bay 101 bay101.com and Garden City gardencitycasino.com in San Jose, CA $1 + flat $3 Canterbury Park canterburypark.com/cardclub.aspx 10% up to $5 + $1 jackpot drop NLHE prohibited by state law Milwaukee $4, No jackpot system Turning Stone turning-stone.com 10% up to $4 Foxwoods(100+ tables) foxwoods.com (203)885-3177 x5374 (800)48POKER 12 tables of $300>buy ($1/$2) NLHE, $5/HH, no free meal Cheap!!! 6 tables of $500>buy ($2/$5) NLHE, no free meal ??? of $10/$20 LHE, $0(preflop) + $2(flop) +$1(pot>$80) + $1(pot>$160), NFND 1 table of $40/$80 LHE Mohegan Sun mohegansun.com (888)226-7711 Borgata theborgata.com 15 tables of $300buy ($1/$2) NLHE, 10% up to $4, no free meal Cheap!!! 9 tables of $500buy ($2/$5) NLHE, $5/HH, no free meal Cheap!!! ??? of $1500buy ($5/$10) NLHE, $6/HH. no free meal 6 tables of $10/$20 LHE and 5 tables of $20/$40 LHE and 2 tables of $40/$80 LHE TajMahal (65+ tables) trumptaj.com (609)449-1000 x4746 3 tables of $10/$20 LHE, no free meal 3 tables of $20/$40 LHE, no free meal Trop tropicana.net (800)257-6227 Hard Rock in Tampa hardrockhotelcasinotampa.com ??? of ($2/$5) NLHE Kennel Club(22 tables) in Daytona jckcpokerroom.com (850)997-2561 Noon to Midnight, Closed on Sunday 1/2NLHE main game 4 tables of ($2/$5) NLHE, insane game Brighton Seminole seminolecasinobrighton.com 10% up to $5 + $1 jackpot Immokalee Seminole theseminolecasino.com LHE - 10% up to $5 + $1 jackpot drop. NLHE - 10% up to $6 + $1 jackpot drop. Aviation Club de France English €100buy (€2/€4) NLHE €4 for pot=€50 and €6 for pot>€100, plus jackpot drop €250buy (€5/€5) NLHE €10/HH, plus jackpot drop €500buy (€5/€10) NLHE €15/HH, without jackpot drop €200buy €10/€20 LHE €10/HH, plus jackpot drop €400buy €30/€60 LHE €15/HH, without jackpot drop Please read this paragraph only if you think the pot rake is NOT a big problem. It is simple to figure out how much a young man shall pay the life-time rake, who began poker at 25 and finish poker 55 and continue playing 1000 hours every year (say, as a regular player) The $5 rake is equivalent to hourly rake of about $25, for estimated 45 hands per hour. He pays $25K per SINGLE year and WILL PAY total $750K in his 30 years of poker life, except his tipping to dealers. Therefore, after Commerce raised from $4 to $5 in January 2007, the young man pay from $600K to $750K as his total life-time rake. So $1 increase shall take $150K more from his asset in his life.
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10-03-2007, 11:44 PM
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Re: Commerce limit vs no limit games
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Commerce(160, 2400) commercecasino.com $1 increase from January 2007 (323)721-2100 x635 5 tables of $20/$40 LHE $8/HH, free meal 4 tables of $40/$80 LHE $9/HH, free meal [/ QUOTE ] Just so everyone knows, the above is bull***t. There is no time charge for the 20/40 or 40/80 LHE games. Both games drop $1 for no flop, $4 for a hand that's over on the flop, and $5 total if the hand sees a turn card. It's true about the free food, though. As for # of tables, it depends of course. The 20 can spread anywhere from 2 to 7-8 tables, and the same goes for the 40. On average, the above figure is correct.
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