***Official 2007-2008 MLB Offseason Thread***

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I believe what Vyse is tired of saying is that Dunn is a terrible defensive OF. While he generates lots of runs with his walks and HR, he costs the Reds runs with his D. Is that about right Vyse?

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Even with those adjustments, and they are huge, he's terrible on defense, he's still the second most valuable player on the Reds and a top 5 overall LF in the majors. Maybe I'm wrong and he's just as terrible at 1B, but I think he'd be more valuable there.

EDIT: He's the 3rd most valuable Red, 2nd if were only talking position players.

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Top 5 LF? LF's I would rather have than Adam Dunn:

Manny Ramirez
Hideki Matsui
Carl Crawford
Alfonso Soriano
Carlos Lee
Matt Holliday

No way he's moving to 1B, Votto is going to be there for the next 6 years. That he's the 2nd most valuable Red's everyday player says a lot about the Reds; Good luck, Dusty-still hoping you DIAGF.

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votto might not even be there this year lollerskates

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votto might not even be there this year lollerskates

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Is there talk of trading him? I know Dusty loves to play vets while quality kids rot in the minors or on the bench, but c'mon. Even Baker has to be able to figure out this kid can and should be playing.

Then again, I can see Dusty giving someone like Conine 500 at bats. So glad the Cubs fired him.

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votto might not even be there this year lollerskates

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Is there talk of trading him? I know Dusty loves to play vets while quality kids rot in the minors or on the bench, but c'mon. Even Baker has to be able to figure out this kid can and should be playing.

Then again, I can see Dusty giving someone like Conine 500 at bats. So glad the Cubs fired him.

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Traded Conine to the Mets at the deadline last year, but they did just pick up Hatteberg's option for this year. I hope to god it was for trade bait, because I can see Dusty giving him Votto's at bats.

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votto might not even be there this year lollerskates

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Is there talk of trading him? I know Dusty loves to play vets while quality kids rot in the minors or on the bench, but c'mon. Even Baker has to be able to figure out this kid can and should be playing.

Then again, I can see Dusty giving someone like Conine 500 at bats. So glad the Cubs fired him.

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TWO WORDS (free way, mos def, hot [censored]): scott hatteberg. hatte + dusty = sucks for votto.

unless you have faith hatteberg is traded. and faith + reds should not be in the same sentence.

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unless you have faith hatteberg is traded. and faith + reds should not be in the same sentence.

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Now that I agree with.

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votto might not even be there this year lollerskates

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Is there talk of trading him? I know Dusty loves to play vets while quality kids rot in the minors or on the bench, but c'mon. Even Baker has to be able to figure out this kid can and should be playing.

Then again, I can see Dusty giving someone like Conine 500 at bats. So glad the Cubs fired him.

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TWO WORDS (free way, mos def, hot [censored]): scott hatteberg. hatte + dusty = sucks for votto.

unless you have faith hatteberg is traded. and faith + reds should not be in the same sentence.

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Hatteberg walks WAAAAAY too much for Dusty. Dusty hates the bases being clogged. No way does he get playing time. Then again isn't Votto an OBP machine as well? Dusty's head might explode.

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votto might not even be there this year lollerskates

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Is there talk of trading him? I know Dusty loves to play vets while quality kids rot in the minors or on the bench, but c'mon. Even Baker has to be able to figure out this kid can and should be playing.

Then again, I can see Dusty giving someone like Conine 500 at bats. So glad the Cubs fired him.

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TWO WORDS (free way, mos def, hot [censored]): scott hatteberg. hatte + dusty = sucks for votto.

unless you have faith hatteberg is traded. and faith + reds should not be in the same sentence.

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Hatteberg walks WAAAAAY too much for Dusty. Dusty hates the bases being clogged. No way does he get playing time. Then again isn't Votto an OBP machine as well? Dusty's head might explode.

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Hatte's probably got 5-10 points in OBP on Votto, but yeah, he gets on base a lot.

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As much as Dusty isn't going to like Hatteberg's walks, he'll really hate Dunn. That dude walks a ton. Plus Hatteberg and Dunn are both white. And as Dusty has already stated, white players just don't hold up in the summer heat as well as black and latin players.

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Melky + Hughes >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t; Johan

For the Yankees, this may actually be reasonable with their need for wins >90. But still terrible IMO. This is sheer idiocy otherwise.