200NL: KK flop decision

[Stonewalled]

1/2 NL live, 10-handed, at St. Louis Harrah's.

3 Villains in this hand are all loose old guys who play marginal hands, and take them too far. The one who raises on the flop is very aggro, raising a bunch of pots and playing junk for a lot of money. The others are very passive.

My image is TAG, and I've shown-down only good hands.

My stack is $550. The 2 loose/passives have about $150 each. The 1 loose/aggro has me covered.

Hero has KK in BB.
Preflop: Loose/passive #1 is UTG and raises to $15, gets 3 callers, including loose/aggro in MP, and loose/passive #2 to my right, Hero raises to $75 (I meant to make a psb raise, but I miscalculated the pot), the 3 Villains call.

Flop (4 players) ($320 pot): Q93 rainbow
Loose/passive #1 bets $10, loose/aggro raises to $60, loose/passive #2 calls, Hero ???

[AlexB182]

I 3bet here live. JT is in the range as well as AQ, KQ stuff. If loose passive #1 or loose/aggro 4bets or shoves though we might have a tough decision.

[Stonewalled]

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I 3bet here live. JT is in the range as well as AQ, KQ stuff. If loose passive #1 or loose/aggro 4bets or shoves though we might have a tough decision.

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Thanks.

If we 3-bet, aren't we committing ourselves to the pot? Even a very small 3-bet to $150 would leave us with only $325 left in a $1,000 pot.

[AllTheCheese]

$250 and call a shove, obv.

[CLB]

If I follow the action correctly, you've got $475 behind and the pot is $390 when the action gets to you. All of the preflop calls have left you with 1.25 pot sized bets remaining. The pot is plenty big, take it down right here. Shove.

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I 3bet here live. JT is in the range as well as AQ, KQ stuff. If loose passive #1 or loose/aggro 4bets or shoves though we might have a tough decision.

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Thanks.

If we 3-bet, aren't we committing ourselves to the pot? Even a very small 3-bet to $150 would leave us with only $325 left in a $1,000 pot.

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You made a big preflop reraise and got called by a bunch of idiots. You got as nice a flop as possible (no A). You have just over a psb remaining in your stack. You ARE committed, you were the second the last card of the flop hit and it wasn't an A. You won't win everytime but there is no way you can find a fold here. Get your money in as quickly as possible.

[Makonnen]

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You made a big preflop reraise and got called by a bunch of idiots. You got as nice a flop as possible (no A). You have just over a psb remaining in your stack. You ARE committed, you were the second the last card of the flop hit and it wasn't an A. You won't win everytime but there is no way you can find a fold here. Get your money in as quickly as possible.

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A++

[Stonewalled]

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I 3bet here live. JT is in the range as well as AQ, KQ stuff. If loose passive #1 or loose/aggro 4bets or shoves though we might have a tough decision.

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Thanks.

If we 3-bet, aren't we committing ourselves to the pot? Even a very small 3-bet to $150 would leave us with only $325 left in a $1,000 pot.

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You made a big preflop reraise and got called by a bunch of idiots. You got as nice a flop as possible (no A). You have just over a psb remaining in your stack. You ARE committed, you were the second the last card of the flop hit and it wasn't an A. You won't win everytime but there is no way you can find a fold here. Get your money in as quickly as possible.

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I shoved.

If loose/aggro had shoved on the flop, would you call?

[AlexB182]

I guess I still call live...

[Stonewalled]

By the way, I was on the button -- I mistakenly said BB in the original post.