Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes

[jgunnip]

Anybody have a graph of AP traffic for today?

[admiralfluff]

I'm sure I am parroting responses already written, but upon reading Dan's post, I had to.

ARE YOU SERIOUS!? They won't do it again because... They get caught, red handed, as much evidence as there could possibly be, and they don't end up taking the blame for it? That's supposed to discourage future cheating? All this will do is confirm to every other shady jerk running a shady online poker company that you can do whatever you want, as blatantly as you want, and get away with it.

[ammbo]

IIRC, Dan Druff said he never lost money to the cheats. The time he typically plays did not coincide with the times the cheats played. Correct me if I am wrong here, Todd.

As such, Druff is acting as a mediator here, and I greatly appreciate him in that role. He is well reasoned and most of all practical person.

With that said, I think Absolute can, in fact, take the stance that long-dormant superuser accounts were used illegally and without their knowledge. This is not too much of a stretch for people and may be what actually happened. Fully adopting UB's software and scrapping Absolute's would also be a step in the direction of showing that they are serious about eliminating this potential security hole.

[NoMeansYes_]

This is growing fast, do we need another cliff notes thread because I am falling behind. Someone make one when it is acceptable so I don't have to read lots of pages, plus +1 digg from me.

[Exitonly]

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the .xls whistleblower

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Adanthar,

the .xls file sent to Marco was sent intentionally?

[MicroBob]

Further to my idea that this could be aired on TV all over the country and still not be that big a deal:

There was a TV story a few months back about the guy that wrote the book Dirty Poker.
Segment 1 was cheating at live-poker...and segment 2 the next day was about internet-poker and it was ridiculously bad.

It showed him playing on Party Poker and talking about how all the sites have bots and props and rigged games and how all these people can see all your hole-cards and you really don't have a chance to win. This was a normal news-story just interviewing the so-called "expert" that ran on several stations across the country.

I saw it on the news in Memphis.
They had a big lead-up to "Cheating at Internet-Poker" and then brought in the "expert" to say that some people had the special programs that could see everyone else's cards.

Nobody paid attention to the story that aired on several different stations across the country because nobody cared.

You guys didn't pay attention to it, did you? Nobody got paranoid that this story was going to be the end of online-poker as we know it.

Sure, it certainly helped to feed the perception that many idiots have that online-poker is always rigged against the leigitimate players and that hurts the game in the long-run.
But one story about cheating just isn't that big a deal and many of the stations and viewers can't even distinguish between what is real and what isn't in the first place.

Final point - we've had a lot of stories of cheating players and dealers, etc in live casinos too and it doesn't seem to have hurt their business very much either.

[Cruzincat]

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You guys need to realize that "informed 2+2-type player" does not equal "casual player who doesn't read poker forums".



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I guess I have to disagree with this statement. I love to play poker online, but my financial situation keeps me from devoting a large bankroll to the effort. Starting out with a small bankroll and getting it large is something that might work for some but so far it hasn't for me. Maybe it would if I could see the hole cards, but ....

[_And1_]

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If there was a superuser, you can bet there isn't one anymore. If certain employees or ex-employees had the idea that they could cheat and get away with it, they now know better.

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I do not see why this would be the case...

[TheJubilantMale]

How much money did Dan Druff lose?

[jayluf]

If they were serious about obtaining an independent third party audit, they should have announced they were going with a Big 4 Audit Firm (KPMG, Deloitte, Ernst Young or PWC).

Whatever 'gaming' firm they are bringing on does not and should not provide ease in this matter.

As a Big4 auditor/consultant, i can tell you that we have software that in two minutes would be able to come to a conclusion within 99.95% accuracy.

If AP genuinely wants to have a third party attempt to validate that no wrongdoing occured, it would be very simple and very quick.

The fact that they aren't is eyebrow raising from an outsider's POV.