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Old 09-18-2007, 12:32 PM
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Default Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button (t45477)
SB (t20073)
BB (t52060)
Hero (t32125)
UTG+1 (t17504)
MP1 (t12559)
MP2 (t28896)
CO (t20186)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t3000</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t3000, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: (t6700) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ???
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Old 09-18-2007, 02:44 PM
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AhKh all bet out here don't they. Bet your standard bet. Any read on MP2, will he float you here. I can't image he calls wide on this flop with you betting UTG.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:03 PM
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

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AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AhKh all bet out here don't they. Bet your standard bet. Any read on MP2, will he float you here. I can't image he calls wide on this flop with you betting UTG.

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But what is he flat calling with that folds? 66-AA isn't folding. I can hope he has AQ/AK or other high cards.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:16 PM
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But what is he flat calling with that folds? 66-AA isn't folding. I can hope he has AQ/AK or other high cards.

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Yes I just spewed more chips. He's folding such a small % of his calling hands. AhQh/AhKh are calling too.

I guess I should have stuck with my 1st thought, fold pre. (But you knew that)

As played, check fold.

If you bet - he calls a big % of his calling hands, I can't see a positive +ev bet here.

Every other option seems FPS and spewy.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:41 PM
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As for preflop, I thought it would look like I had a real hand and wasn't stealing UTG, and it was unlikely anyone would resteal light. Obviously, I wouldn't do it except for the bubble. This play also makes my hands harder to read.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:48 PM
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button (t45477)
SB (t20073)
BB (t52060)
Hero (t32125)
UTG+1 (t17504)
MP1 (t12559)
MP2 (t28896)
CO (t20186)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t3000</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t3000, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: (t6700) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ???

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shove.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button (t45477)
SB (t20073)
BB (t52060)
Hero (t32125)
UTG+1 (t17504)
MP1 (t12559)
MP2 (t28896)
CO (t20186)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t3000</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t3000, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: (t6700) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ???

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shove.

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Stop posting.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:51 PM
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button (t45477)
SB (t20073)
BB (t52060)
Hero (t32125)
UTG+1 (t17504)
MP1 (t12559)
MP2 (t28896)
CO (t20186)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t3000</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t3000, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: (t6700) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ???

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shove.

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Stop posting.

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If you don't like to hear different opinion, you can ignore my post, but please be polite at least. The forum is for all of us, not just you. I would never say "stop posting" to anyone but I will start to ignore you on this forum.

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Old 09-18-2007, 03:51 PM
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

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But what is he flat calling with that folds? 66-AA isn't folding. I can hope he has AQ/AK or other high cards.

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Yes I just spewed more chips. He's folding such a small % of his calling hands. AhQh/AhKh are calling too.

I guess I should have stuck with my 1st thought, fold pre. (But you knew that)

As played, check fold.

If you bet - he calls a big % of his calling hands, I can't see a positive +ev bet here.

Every other option seems FPS and spewy.

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This is what I think as well, his range seems heavily weighted towards pairs and he can easily float you. We have incredibly [censored] reverse implied odds as well.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

Shan -

I don't really consider shoving this flop to be a different opinion, I consider it to be a garbage clown superfish play.

~Bakes
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