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11-14-2007, 03:28 AM
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Re: Conservative Definition of Freedom
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] natedogg > copernicus imo, lol [/ QUOTE ] owsley would be ashamed to have you use his name [/ QUOTE ] [x] obligatory biannual Copernicus reference to lysergic acid consumption and/or knowledge. [/ QUOTE ] FMP? I remember one other distinct one somewhat recently and am pretty sure there are others. For the "he would be ashamed comment", I am reminded of the Robin Williams "A clue, sherlock" line if anyone else has seen that dvd of him. [/ QUOTE ] I see, so one in the last month (maybe, and probably not in politics), and no others = monthly. [/ QUOTE ] He already backed off of the statement. Stop being... well, you... nevermind. 
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#22
11-14-2007, 03:30 AM
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Re: Conservative Definition of Freedom
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#23
11-14-2007, 06:56 AM
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Re: Conservative Definition of Freedom
There is obviously a fundamental difference between your view and Santorum's view. He's wants to make everybody do what he wants them to do, so he "acts" on the idea that he doesn't think what they are doing is good or right. You want to let everybody do what they want to do, so you "act" on the assumption that the little girls don't want to be kidnapped and raped.
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#25
11-14-2007, 10:45 AM
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I don't think it is a particularly "conservative" defintion. Liberals certainly campaign on notions of serving a higher purpose, and whether that is a societal goal vs a spiritual or moral goal is irrelevant. Santorum is right on. [/ QUOTE ] Meh. Both liberals and conservatives define freedom within the confines of their preferred societal framework. Neither one believes in the most important freedom of all, the freedom to keep every penny you earn.
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#26
11-14-2007, 10:57 AM
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Who exactly decides what the spiritual or moral goal is? [/ QUOTE ] You didn't really say anything about morality. I don't think you were referring to morals when you wrote: [ QUOTE ] If I am free to pursue whatever I consider to be my goal, then that is freedom. If someone else decides, I am, by definition, not free. [/ QUOTE ] That's a ridiculous statement regarding morality, DUCY?
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#27
11-14-2007, 10:59 AM
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Re: Conservative Definition of Freedom
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There is obviously a fundamental difference between your view and Santorum's view. He's wants to make everybody do what he wants them to do, so he "acts" on the idea that he doesn't think what they are doing is good or right. You want to let everybody do what they want to do, so you "act" on the assumption that the little girls don't want to be kidnapped and raped. [/ QUOTE ] Probably one of the contributing factors to his defeat in 2006.
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#29
11-14-2007, 11:12 AM
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For me freedom is useless without an attempt at equality. I won't hold it to perfection to support it, but it is important to me that the principle is there. Without equality freedom seems to me like nothing more than access to air without access to water.
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#30
11-14-2007, 11:25 AM
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Re: Conservative Definition of Freedom
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