400NLHUCASH trip aces getting raised on the river

Vinetou · #1 10-26-2007, 03:28 PM

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Hero ($4638.05)
Button ($789.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Button raises to $12, Hero raises to $40, Button calls $28.

Flop: ($80) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $60, Button raises to $120, Hero calls $60.

Turn: ($320) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($320) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $216, Button raises to $629.5, Hero????????

We have some history with villain. He is unpredictable player, capable of making crazy moves, but generally he is quite solid.

Is this an easy laydown? I put his range on 77-99, A7+, JT and I was 4 to 1 against this range. Mix in some bluffs and maybe he wouldn't do it with AT or AJ so it becomes a fold. I posted this hand because I think I discovered a leak in my game, that I tend to call way too much in spots like this one.

I posted this hand to figure out if I can expand his range, but I don't think so. I want to figure out if this is a tough or an easy laydown.

JSmith2007 · #2 10-26-2007, 03:31 PM

I think your range on him is fine. I call this and hate it because he will probably flip over JT, but in the long run he will flip over 77-KK and A7+ alot more often.

Vinetou · #3 10-26-2007, 03:44 PM

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I think your range on him is fine. I call this and hate it because he will probably flip over JT, but in the long run he will flip over 77-KK and A7+ alot more often.

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Just to remind you - look at the hand again. Some of the hands you mentioned I can't beat.

MasterLJ · #4 10-26-2007, 03:49 PM

I think his range is pretty polarized and not much of it involves trips.

He either has a straight here, a total bluff, or somehow spiked his set/boat (doubtful). I'd give it a distribution of 50%, 25%, 10%, and 15% for ??!??!?

Vinetou · #5 10-26-2007, 03:57 PM

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I think his range is pretty polarized and not much of it involves trips.

He either has a straight here, a total bluff, or somehow spiked his set/boat (doubtful). I'd give it a distribution of 50%, 25%, 10%, and 15% for ??!??!?

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I probably expanded his range too much, but I didn't involve bluffs, so it probably is like 4 to 1, probably even less.

AbreuTime · #6 10-26-2007, 03:57 PM

How lightly does he call 3bets?
Does he valubet thin? (ie. would he play AJ the same)
What does a minraise mean?
Does he view you as a station or nit?

I mean, would he call pf with A8/A9/A7? His check on the turn is very suspicious, and I would slightly discount the lower full houses (99,77). He may have fistpumped on the turn if he had A7 and then checked without thinking it through. A8 and other aces may play the same.

My first instinct is to fold. People just dont bluffraise the river like this that often imo.

Vinetou · #7 10-26-2007, 04:08 PM

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How lightly does he call 3bets?
Does he valubet thin? (ie. would he play AJ the same)
What does a minraise mean?
Does he view you as a station or nit?

I mean, would he call pf with A8/A9/A7? His check on the turn is very suspicious, and I would slightly discount the lower full houses (99,77). He may have fistpumped on the turn if he had A7 and then checked without thinking it through. A8 and other aces may play the same.

My first instinct is to fold. People just dont bluffraise the river like this that often imo.

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1. He calls them pretty lightly.
2. Sometimes.
3. It's not a minraise. It is all his money.
4. He views me as a station probably.

alavet · #8 10-26-2007, 04:41 PM

coach me
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AbreuTime meant the flop miniraise

i think fold is fine, but i see AK here sometimes

Vinetou · #9 10-26-2007, 04:45 PM

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coach me
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AbreuTime meant the flop miniraise

i think fold is fine, but i see AK here sometimes

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Sorry. I only thought about river in this hand which is probably wrong. He might minraise bluff on the flop.

AbreuTime · #10 10-26-2007, 05:04 PM

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i think fold is fine, but i see AK here sometimes

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For the vast majority of players at this level, AK won't be smoothcalling pf. The only way to win this hand with a call is if your opponent has 9x that is trying to bluff you off your obvious KK or whatever he reads you for. And you obviously lose to the full houses. The check on the turn is pretty strange, and is hard to interpret in a vacuum. If he was going to continue a bluff, you would think he would do it on the turn...