RYANCMU teaches struggling NL50 and NL100 players

[effang]

thanks again for the help.

quick question, if you look around, you always see those EV graphs in BBV. Some of the best aggressive players (as in those who can hand read AND put villains to the test) have graphs where their total winnings is actually higher than their expected winnings/sklansky bucks.

That means that they are winning a large % of their hands on the flop or the turn. As an aggressive player yourself, do you have any examples of "outplaying" your opponents? I know that it isn't that necessary at FR, but still, the closer we can come to having diverging lines, the better our post flop play is.

I guess a very simple example would be...you limp call OOP w/ a small PP. Flop comes Q high...how do you go about winning the pot? and how often do you give it up immediately on the flop?

what if you Cold Call a PFR w/ a small PP. Flop comes Q high...again how do you go about winning the pot, and how often are you giving it up?

[Chargers In 07]

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quick question, if you look around, you always see those EV graphs in BBV. Some of the best aggressive players (as in those who can hand read AND put villains to the test) have graphs where their total winnings is actually higher than their expected winnings/sklansky bucks.

[/ QUOTE ]Not sure if you just mistyped that but if the winnings is above showdown winnings then that's winning more than your fair share of pots. Winnings above SBs is "running good".

[CalledDownLight]

The further away from 50% your average equity is in allin hands the the faster your graph is going to diverge. If you get it in with 75% equity on average then your going to be down or up more than X buyins faster (on average) than a player with an average equity of 50%. Also, the higher your average equity is then the longer it takes you to recover from a single bad beat. Likewise, if you have an average equity of ~2.3% (1 outer) and you hit a 1 outer the first hand then you will be running above expectation for a very long time. Thus, if you get sucked out on just a few times and get it in way good most of the time then you will be running below expectation for longer than someone who loses after missing a flush draw. Just think about it.

[Berge20]

Good thread

Does anyone advocate showing cards at certain times to enhance a certain image? I know that I've got auto-muck turned on for sheer simplicity sake--but if I'm playing 6 tables or fewer, it isn't a big deal.

Against the regulars, it might give them more intel on you...but if you have a certain fish or two at the table you are trying to manipulate, it might be worth something.

It's a part of the online game that I rarely see used and we never discuss it here. Probably b/c a lot of people 12-table and don't have time for the extra clicks.

Thoughts?

[CalledDownLight]

Berge, honestly never show any kind of bluff that had any thought behind it. Its really just going to hurt you in FR. Also, there are a lot of times where I think its +EV to make a move (like a 2way bet or bluff) in order to not showdown a hand. If you pay attention you can get a lot of info from what other people take to showdown with certain lines. There are people at NL100 and NL200 FR that you can pretty much put on an exact hand a lot of the time when they take one line or another. HU is another story, but I'd keep the muck on at FR.

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quick question, if you look around, you always see those EV graphs in BBV. Some of the best aggressive players (as in those who can hand read AND put villains to the test) have graphs where their total winnings is actually higher than their expected winnings/sklansky bucks.

[/ QUOTE ]Not sure if you just mistyped that but if the winnings is above showdown winnings then that's winning more than your fair share of pots. Winnings above SBs is "running good".

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I think he has it right. I've seen some graphs where aggression gives them a lot of pots, but if they get to showdown, they're usually behind. So they may have W$SD<<50%, but they pick up so many pots without getting to showdown that their Total Winnings line is way above their Expected/Sklansky Bucks line.

[effang]

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quick question, if you look around, you always see those EV graphs in BBV. Some of the best aggressive players (as in those who can hand read AND put villains to the test) have graphs where their total winnings is actually higher than their expected winnings/sklansky bucks.

[/ QUOTE ]Not sure if you just mistyped that but if the winnings is above showdown winnings then that's winning more than your fair share of pots. Winnings above SBs is "running good".

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I think he has it right. I've seen some graphs where aggression gives them a lot of pots, but if they get to showdown, they're usually behind. So they may have W$SD<<50%, but they pick up so many pots without getting to showdown that their Total Winnings line is way above their Expected/Sklansky Bucks line.

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We are all saying the same thing. In general, if you are often outplaying your opponents, then your winnings is going to be above your expected winnings. I don't know the specifics, but the more you win hands without showing down, the more winnings above your expected winnings line you'll see.

[F1shRapeMe]

I know a while ago CTS wrote an awesome article on four betting people who were squeezing lightly. CTS blog It is geared more for short handed but has some valuable points none the less.