Wheeling Island Poker Room *update*

[ThunderEagle]

I got down to Wheeling Island Friday night (11/2). I got there at around 8:30 and the place was packed. Good thing I didn't want to play 1/2 NL as the wait list was 61 players deep and they had like 10? tables going.

I got on the 2/4 and 3/6 LHE lists, both of which were about 19 people deep. I got on a 2/4 table in about 1.5 hours, and I was about 5th on the 3/6 list. I think there was only 1 3/6 table and 4 2/4.

While the dealer's made mistakes, there wasn't anything that stood out has really bad. A few misdeals throughout the night, nothing major.

One thing I didn't like was that they kept getting people chips for this game and was bringing them $5 chips. I've never really seen this done where I have played in Vegas (one trip, 5 different rooms, and a single room in Reno). There have been $5 chips on the table from time to time, but it was the exception, not the rule.

Anyhow, this may be nittish, but the dealers were constantly having to make change for peoples' bets, asking them to confirm if they were calling or raising, etc.

Another complaint, A couple of different waitresses I ordered a glass of water from and they either forgot, didn't write it down, or just flat out didn't give a damn figuring I wouldn't tip since I wasn't even getting a beverage that I had to pay for(you have to pay for bottled water, a glass of water is free). They also seemed to be massively overworked for the poker room.

I also liked the waiting list kiosk. If you have a players card you can just walk up to this, swipe your card and choose the waiting lists you want on. Now they probably just need to put a couple out in the lobby.

[monkichee]

Yeah, I was there for the first time Friday and you're right - the room (especially the desk) is a complete cluster. The club card kiosk will definitely be nice - I waited 20 minutes just to be put on the waiting list.

But it was all worth it, IMO. The action was incredibly loose at my 2/4 table. Calling raises all the way with nothing but bottom pair. Bunch of working stiffs looking to gamble. such fun.

[WheelingDealer]

Sorry I have not been back to check these messages for a while - been busy - working 6 days a week at the Casino.

First I would like to apologize to TT for apparently breaking some rules with a previous post.

I will try to answer some questions on here the best I can.

First off bender2006

- I doubt that they will be spreading any mixed games any time soon. No room at the moment, dealer inexperience, etc.

-Players card - At the moment there is no definite answer to what you receive. At the moment you accumulate points that will be converted to some sort of rewards - free roll tourneys, food comps, etc. I am not sure if the hold up is with the State or the Casino. I am guessing the comps will not be similiar to Vegas - West Virginia State is taking close to 40%, does not leave much room.

-The O8 games will start up if there are enough people on the interest list before all tables are up and running. The Floor people really do not care what games are going, as long there is interest. Me, a dealer, on the other hand.

Bigbeardedbryan -
I have not had the “pleasure” of dealing O8 the last couple times it has been running.

Gotta go - Good luck all!

[midnight_1]

I've seen something like this posted on here before and was just curious if this was the right call. I'm sitting at $1/$2 NL and a player 3 seats to my right goes all in for $17. I call and we show our hands. The dealer then burns one card, deals 3 more cards face down like they normally would, then burns another card and flips one face up, burns another and flips another, and does it again. Now the whole table is yelling "no no no!" and he freezes. The Floor is called and says that the hand is dead and we should split the pot. 3 hours later, two people are in a hand pre-flop and they get 4 cards to the flop. The floor is called again and this time he says to reshuffle the cards and redeal the flop. Is that even close to right? This was my first time in a casino and I was just a little peeved. I had AA vs. KQ off, btw.

[slapded]

I went to college in wheeling a while back and am really excited about playing there next week. Would there usually be a wait at 9am on a friday?? I have a 6 hour long drive and thats about as early as I can get there.

[sirfoldalot]

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Would there usually be a wait at 9am on a friday??

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There shouldn't be a wait and if there is one it shouldn't be long.

[bender2006]

Yeah that is correct. Although next time that happens to you should just give your money to bender2006. Welcome to 2+2 Dawg

[SirWinsALot]

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I'm sitting at $1/$2 NL and a player 3 seats to my right goes all in for $17. I call and we show our hands. The dealer then burns one card, deals 3 more cards face down like they normally would, then burns another card and flips one face up, burns another and flips another, and does it again. Now the whole table is yelling "no no no!" and he freezes. The Floor is called and says that the hand is dead and we should split the pot.

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If you described the above accurately, then the ruling is incorrect. Everyone should be able to tell what the proper 5-card board is. The 6th card placed on the board doesn't play, and the winner is determined from the two live hands and the 5-card board.

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3 hours later, two people are in a hand pre-flop and they get 4 cards to the flop. The floor is called again and this time he says to reshuffle the cards and redeal the flop. Is that even close to right? This was my first time in a casino and I was just a little peeved. I had AA vs. KQ off, btw.

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This is correct. The burn card is left in place, and the remaining deck stub plus the 4 cards placed face up are shuffled. The deck is cut, but since a burn card was already placed down, another one is not put down prior to placing out the 3 card flop.

[midnight_1]

the first burn and the first 3 cards peeled off were left face down like burn cards. so it was basically 4 burn cards, 1 board card, 1 burn & 1 board, 1 more burn and 1 more board card.

[SirWinsALot]

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the first burn and the first 3 cards peeled off were left face down like burn cards. so it was basically 4 burn cards, 1 board card, 1 burn & 1 board, 1 more burn and 1 more board card.

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That may be the most unusual, strictly mechanical dealing error about which I've ever read, seen or heard. I've committed more dealing attrocities than I care to admit. Compared to this, pushing the pot to wrong player is understandable. Must have been combination new dealer fatigue, allergy medication, sleep deprivation and anemia, etc.

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Now the whole table is yelling "no no no!" and he freezes. The Floor is called and says that the hand is dead and we should split the pot.

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The only money you would be splitting are the 2 blinds, which makes this marginally acceptable. The problem with the two of you splitting the pot as a regularly accepted ruling is that if one or both of you are in collusion with the dealer, then the dealer could intentionally fubar the board and allow you two to split a bunch of dead money, or if he were working with just the player who had tabled what looked like an extremely likely losing hand then that player would be saved the risk of losing his stack. The dealer could even just be angry at a player and do this to negate what looks like his sure winner.

In this case, with $37. in the pot, the dealer may have raked $3, which would cover the blinds and in effect, just return each of your $17. put in. You didn't say if you had one of the blinds, but it doesn't appear that you did. If this had happened in a way where there was dead money in the pot, other than the blinds, then I hope the floor would not have allowed the two of you to split the pot.

A better solution would be to go through the regular procedure for a messed up flop. If the first burn card is identifiable, then leave it out and reshuffle all the cards that were subsequently put out, along with the deck stub and cut the deck, proceed with the flop, burn, turn, burn, and river.