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Old 10-19-2006, 07:09 AM
iggymcfly iggymcfly is offline
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Default Oliver Perez? Are you joking?

Yeah, I'm 0-2 trying to bet individual games on St. Louis this series, but I'm going back to the well one more time. The Mets have Oliver Perez starting Game 7 against St. Louis and I'm all over the Cardinals at +104.

I mean I could have seen Trachsel or Oliver (Darren that is), but Perez just seems like the pitcher that will give the Mets the worst chance possible here. In an inadvisable GAMBOL GAMBOL sort of move, I'm betting 5 units to go with my 4 unit series bet that's already in play and will be decided by tonight's results.

GO CARDS!

(Note: Get it while it's hot. The line moved from +106 to +104 while I was deciding how much I wanted to bet.)
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Old 10-19-2006, 10:11 AM
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Default Re: Oliver Perez? Are you joking?

Honestly, I don't think betting this game is particularly +EV. Oliver Perez is as likely to get lit up as he is to shut down the Cardinals completely. He was a top 5 pitcher in the NL as recently as two years ago, whereas Trachsel and Oliver haven't been the top 5 of anything ever.

Because the variance on Perez is so high, I think that if you bet a side, you may as well take the run line because the game won't be close either way.
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Old 10-19-2006, 10:46 AM
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Default Re: Oliver Perez? Are you joking?

Are his results from two years ago really relevant? The fact is that he's been bad all season long, and in the start that people were praising him for (in Game 4), he gave up 5 runs in 5 2/3 innings. I really don't see Perez "shutting down the Cards completely" to be a likely result at all. I think the best chance for the Mets is to try to get a few good innings out of Perez and get to the bullpen early, then knock a few runs off of Suppan to get a 5-4 win or something.
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Old 10-19-2006, 10:49 AM
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Default Re: Oliver Perez? Are you joking?

and can the mets trust wagner to hold a lead under 4 going into the 9th?
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Old 10-19-2006, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: Oliver Perez? Are you joking?

No doubt Wagner makes me nervous, but one thing to remember is that Wagner is nortorious for pitching worse when he's not in a save situation such as last night. LaRussa even mentioned that they would of seen a different Billy Wagner had the game been closer last night.

As for Perez, obiviously he will be on a short leash since Darren Oliver is well rested. I think starting Perez is the right move as D. Oliver hasn't started a game in over 2 years, and no way do I want Trachsel anywhere near the mound.
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Old 10-19-2006, 12:27 PM
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Default Re: Oliver Perez? Are you joking?

I think the Mets at home, with their bats, with their depth, are hungrier than the Cards. Suppan > Perez, OK, but Carpenter >> Mayne. I think the Mets think this is their time and are going to find a way to win this game. And LaRussa's teams don't exactly have a history of rising to an occasion.
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Old 10-19-2006, 12:30 PM
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Default Re: Oliver Perez? Are you joking?

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Are his results from two years ago really relevant? The fact is that he's been bad all season long

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When he's on, he's ON. His horrible overall numbers are a result of getting shelled in the starts where he's not on. While I've overstating things somewhat to suggest that he's 50/50 to put together a quality start, the comment about his variance holds. Suppan is much more predictable -- 5 or 6 innings, 2-3 runs allowed.
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Old 10-19-2006, 12:31 PM
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Default Re: Oliver Perez? Are you joking?

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Nobodys hungrier than nobody in a game 7. A game 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 either!
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Old 10-19-2006, 12:42 PM
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Default Re: Oliver Perez? Are you joking?

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Nobodys hungrier than nobody in a game 7. A game 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 either!

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The Cardinals have always underachieved under LaRussa. I believe that this team, like other recent Cardinal teams, does not play with any sense of urgency, even in important games.

Maybe hungry is a weird word. Obviously it's a cliche. But please tell me that the Yankees wanted to win that series as much as the Tigers did. Tell me the Tigers weren't "hungrier".
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Old 10-19-2006, 12:43 PM
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It's easy to assign hunger after the fact. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
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