AP, rigged, etc. #8981.4 - the plot thickens

[MoeJ]

Quote from the point-spreads.com article:

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While living in Costa Rica, AJ bought a house in Escazu outright with cash and no one questioned how a guy making $50k a year could do that.

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Something just occurred to me... if AJ Green bought a house for cash in Costa Rica, why would he be living at Scott Tom's house, as was previously averred?

[okietalker]

Maybe the colombians took it away from him for the juice on his debt.

I dunno just speculating

[Cruzincat]

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This was the last post before Do The Math changed the title of the thread to No superuser account existed, or some such BS. Let's stop replying to any post that has his stupid change in it!

[Weevil99]

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Actually it takes surprisingly little code to handle this.

Having root access to a server, would be even more stupid. And nobody in their right mind would ever allow root access to a server.

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I'm not sure how you could have a server without root access. There is, without doubt, a root account on the server. By server, I mean the operating system that hosts the poker server. Without root access, how could you ever upgrade the software, perform backups, install new software, etc? Are you saying that all system-level operations in the server would have to be performed locally? Surely there is a way to perform remote diagnostics and trouble-shooting.

I've been out of the biz for a long time, and you sound pretty current in your knowledge, but I'm having a hard time imagining any networked system that does not allow remote access, including root (or at least privileged) access. How would AP's IT department in Costa Rica do their jobs if they didn't have access to the data on their own servers in Canada? How could they have sent out the raw XLS file? Surely, that would have required elevated privileges for whoever did it. Not necessarily root privileges, but at the very least, special permissions for the data in question.

So, root-level access wouldn't really be required for this to take place; you'd just need access to an account with special file permissions. Superuser/root might be an exaggeration, but special user wouldn't be.

Anyway, what I had in mind was something like a modified telnet client. This is exactly the kind of thing a developer would whip together in the early phases. The only thing required on the server side would be a telnet (or SSH) server. No special software required on the server side, in other words, which means that the cheating system would survive all server upgrades and changes and even fires and explosions, and there would be zero risk of any IT people on the server end discovering this special super-client since it wouldn't exist there.

None of this really matters much, of course. There are any number of ways this software could work, including the way you describe. To me, though, it seems most likely that it's simply a root (or privileged) account using a crude card displayer (possibly based on a telnet client) which was cobbled together for convenience in the early stages of development.

Of all the ways this could work, I'm not sure which is the most troubling to me. I can't think of any scenario that's particularly reassuring.

[SinkRox]

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Absolute,

TeddyFBI is clearly one of the most respected players who has lost money in this debacle.

As an incentive to resolve this situation, I'm happy to remove the website that I host (absolutepokercheats.com) when he thinks it is time.

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Dude wtf that site should stay up indefinitely.

[Josem]

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Absolute,

TeddyFBI is clearly one of the most respected players who has lost money in this debacle.

As an incentive to resolve this situation, I'm happy to remove the website that I host (absolutepokercheats.com) when he thinks it is time.

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Dude wtf that site should stay up indefinitely.

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Why? If Absolute can fix their games, and convince TeddyFBI that they're no longer a dodgy operator, I don't see the purpose of that site any more.

[mntbikr15]

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Absolute,

TeddyFBI is clearly one of the most respected players who has lost money in this debacle.

As an incentive to resolve this situation, I'm happy to remove the website that I host (absolutepokercheats.com) when he thinks it is time.

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Dude wtf that site should stay up indefinitely.

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Why? If Absolute can fix their games, and convince TeddyFBI that they're no longer a dodgy operator, I don't see the purpose of that site any more.

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No offense to Teddy, but I dont think he should have the sole say over that decision.

[Josem]

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No offense to Teddy, but I dont think he should have the sole say over that decision.

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lol. got a better idea?

the point is that whacking absolute over the head with a stick needs to be balanced with a carrot.

[TurdFerguson]

Today's comic

[fatshaft]

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Hm, I found an article dating from 2005: http://www.flopturnriver.com/content...s-837.php#1887

I don't know if it's been posted, but it's kind of amusing:

NICE, France--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Nov. 7, 2005--iovation, the first online fraud detection solution that tracks the reputation of devices, announced it is providing fraud management solutions to leading online gaming sites worldwide -- effectively minimizing their risk of fraud and increasing the value of their operations. iovation inc. has signed Absolute Poker, Bodog, PointBet and Nine.com -- four progressive online gambling Web sites -- each with millions of transactions a year.

Increased competition, growing M&A activity, and a focus on operational excellence have all elevated the importance of fraud prevention in the market. Developed to address industries with a high-volume of online transactions, iovation's ieSnare(TM) system is a back-end fraud protection system that matches distinct device-identifiers to online accounts. A database matching system, called the Device Reputation Authority(TM) (DRA), links devices and accounts allowing merchants to identify and flag fraudsters without revealing personal information.

"Every dollar of fraud has a direct relationship to valuation," said Greg Pierson, president and CEO of iovation. "As the gaming industry capitalizes on consumer enthusiasm, iovation is decreasing fraud and increasing our value to existing and future clients through the growth of the DRA."

Once these devices are identified, forensic analysis can be shared with all organizational networks protected by ieSnare. This allows subscribed networks to make business decisions about individual connections, and allow, limit, or prevent access based on the reputation of the devices involved.

Absolute Poker

A stallion of online poker, Absolute Poker, chose iovation to help enrich its current offering to players and to provide them with a safer place to play poker. While Absolute Poker has successfully managed fraud and client account security with effective tools that are currently in place, they believe that iovation's product will act as an even stronger complement to its existing practices. "While fraudsters continue to evolve and devise new ways to exploit our competitors, it is our belief that by continuously improving our 'fraud tool kit' that we can provide the safest place to play poker online," said Brent Beckley, director of client services at Absolute Poker.

Bodog

In a highly-competitive market, Bodog, an online gambling Web site, realized that the way to achieve competitive advantage was to heighten the confidence-level to its existing and future players. Bodog selected the ieSnare system that not only provided a safe environment for players, but reduced its chargeback rates and allowed Bodog to expand its operations while keeping costs down.

"We now have the ability to grow our company while not having to increase head count. We can manage fraud with ieSnare with ease," said Pilar Catala, director of eCommerce at Bodog.

PointBet

When Asian sportsbook PointBet signed with iovation to expand its business, PointBet owner, Mr. Ong Ongko Wiyono, was successful at growing his business through mail-in deposits. However, now he realizes he needs to accept credit cards to expand his business further. "I have been hesitant to accept credit cards for fear of large fraud losses," Wiyono said. "With iovation I am a step ahead with fraudster information shared by other online gaming companies, and I can contribute to the DRA with research from our site."

Nine.com

Nine.com, an 8-year-old Costa Rica-based online sportsbook, casino and poker Web site, was invited to view an iovation demo while in Costa Rica. Nine.com is presently using Las Vegas From Home's poker software, protected by the ieSnare system, and wanted to expand its fraud protection across its other networks. With many years of experience in the gaming industry, Nine.com, and its sister companies Betcom.com and Mybookie.com, decided to extend its security to the sportsbook and the casino channels. "We wanted to provide a safe environment for our other popular sites," said AJ Green, VP of operations at Nine.com. "iovation has a proven record of decreasing fraud and stopping crime rings from forming and coming back resulting in a much more secure environment for ourselves and our clients"

About iovation

iovation, based in Portland, Oregon, develops fraud-management systems for companies besieged by significant online fraud issues, particularly stolen credit cards, chargebacks and cyber-crime rings. The company has pioneered a unique online fraud-detection technology that links users and their accounts with physical devices, and shares the reputation of those devices with other subscribers. iovation currently manages the reputation of more than 2 million devices in the gaming industry.

[/ QUOTE ]Moe, iovation are a fraud prevention company, they do not have anything to do with actual play. They look at fraudulent players and payment methods and compare them across various sites. Thye can track indivudual players if for example they are banned on one site, and turn up on another, but this is not a gameplay thing.