KK floping OP/OESD in multiway pot...

[pineapple888]

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Aren't we a bit worried about BB here ?
TT/JJ/QQ can be very well in his range here.
I was thinking about checking and see what happens behind us

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You are 33% vs. those hands. Pot odds are 40% if you get all in. AK is a much greater concern but I think, given the action, you have to discount that and go broke here. So the only goal is how to get as much money in the pot as possible.

[orange]

i bet and call.

[barryc83]

Wow, didn't see the BB cold call. It seems bad to get it in here IMO, but against that range stove says we have 47% equity. I guess just bet/call it.

Board: Jh Qc Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.885% 46.24% 01.65% 129084 4602.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 52.115% 50.47% 01.65% 140892 4602.00 { QQ-TT, AQs+, QJs, JTs, AQo+, QJo, JTo }

[aka_bebel]

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[ QUOTE ]
Aren't we a bit worried about BB here ?
TT/JJ/QQ can be very well in his range here.
I was thinking about checking and see what happens behind us

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You are 33% vs. those hands. Pot odds are 40% if you get all in. AK is a much greater concern but I think, given the action, you have to discount that and go broke here. So the only goal is how to get as much money in the pot as possible.

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Thanks for the info pineapple

[Some9]

we are 4 handed. 4handed in 3bet pot, give me the probability no vilain has TT+, here.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.353% 19.92% 04.44% 4338 966.00 { KhKs }
Hand 1: 75.647% 71.21% 04.44% 15510 966.00 { TT+, AKo }


I srsly c/f this to action.


Obv my reasoning doesnt hold if any villain would put it in with AQ. He would need to be a retard but in that case b/c sure.

[yad]

This is probably the worst possible flop you can get given preflop action (well, maybe AQJ would be worse). bet/get it in can't be too horrible, but I actually think that c/f may be better.

[Unknown Soldier]

b/c or crai prob b/c. def get it in on the flop. high variance though

[shpanko]

getting it in here against 3 opponents seems pretty gross. I check and see what happens

[pineapple888]

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getting it in here against 3 opponents seems pretty gross. I check and see what happens

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The point is that you are robust against anything but AK (which actually might be a problem, now that I look at it more) and it's gonna be real tempting for more than one Villain to get some money in. Hence my 1/2 pot bet recommendation. I think four opponents actually helps you here, honestly. But maybe you can't discount AK. All I know is that when a bunch of money goes in multiway, I'm usually shocked at the crap I see.

[shpanko]

Why are we only worried about AK? 89/TT-QQ/QJ/JT etc are all major parts of these guys' ranges, especially the BB (will show up with TT+ a lot). Why do we want to get it in with (essentially) a bare OESD?