NLTRN - This is a major leak right?

[Landonfan]

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[x] Villain played well
[ ] Hero played well

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I wouldn't know his hand unless I played well. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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If you had anything but QQ+ this is false.

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A real hand would probably check/raise all in here. You definitely don't need QQ+ to make this call. I don't really see how it is feasible to have hit this flop unless:

a) he called rags planning to shove any 2 (in which case chances are he didn't hit)
b) he smooth called a PP (seems unlikely)

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Sorry your preflop play is bad unless you have QQ+

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You're saying that once the blinds get this high, smaller raises are bad. Most everything here is shove or fold, right?

[shyturtle27]

Blinds are too big to do this preflop. I'm using semi-SAGE at this point until 8bb or less then pure SAGE.

[jay_shark]

Typically , I would have folded j-4 .

Also , the SAGE system is a great tool to use if you're multi-tabling and you don't have a good read on your opponent's tendencies . If you're single-tabling , you can often times do much better than SAGE towards the end of an sng .

[shyturtle27]

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Typically , I would have folded j-4 .

Also , the SAGE system is a great tool to use if you're multi-tabling and you don't have a good read on your opponent's tendencies . If you're single-tabling , you can often times do much better than SAGE towards the end of an sng .

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I completely agree. I never go strictly by SAGE especially in HU SNGs where reads are so paramount. I always adjust what I think my opponent's push/call range is to the SAGE system.

[cwar]

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Calling with j-4 and then shoving on the flop is a worse move than shoving all in preflop with j-4 . It's very easy to show this .

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This is not true at all, I really dont feel like getting into however.

[jay_shark]

You're actually saying that calling with j-4 and then shoving on the flop is a good move ?

I'm more than willing to challenge you on this .

[cwar]

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You're actually saying that calling with j-4 and then shoving on the flop is a good move ?

I'm more than willing to challenge you on this .

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No, I said your statement is not true.

[waxhax0rs]

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You're actually saying that calling with j-4 and then shoving on the flop is a good move ?

I'm more than willing to challenge you on this .

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Yes

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fyp

[jay_shark]

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Calling with j-4 and then shoving on the flop is a worse move than shoving all in preflop with j-4 . It's very easy to show this .

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This is not true at all, I really dont feel like getting into however.

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That's a strong statement and you've provided no proof that you are in fact right . Since , my area of expertise is in mathematics , I will provide 2 EV statements and I'll let others come to their own conclusions .

My assertion proceeds as follows :

If you shove with j-4 , you have fold equity . You move in with 1250 trying to pick up 150+75+75+225=525 in chips .
Let x be the probability that you're successful with this play . Your EV can be modeled as:

EV1 = 525*x + (1-x)*[1400*2-1250] . A very reasonable estimate for x is about 2/3 but this is player dependent .

On the other hand , if you call pre and then shove 100% of the time , your EV if we let y=flop fold equity, and a = the probability you win when you get called is :

EV2= 750*y + (1-y)*(1025)*a -(1-y)*(1025)*(1-a)

There is so simple way to convince me that EV2>EV1 . This is what you're trying to say after all without using mathematics as your justification .

[cwar]

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you have fold equity .

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This is as far as I got, if villain has fold equity preflop OP is very bad.