5/10 QQ in 4 bet pot

Praetor · #1 06-01-2007, 01:39 PM

Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $10.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP ($1011.52)
CO ($993.50)
Hero ($1285.50)
SB ($1237.50)
BB ($3216.24)
UTG ($1207.00)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $35, MP calls $35, 1 fold, Hero raises to $135, 2 folds, UTG raises to $295, MP folds, Hero calls $160.

Flop: ($640) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $240, Hero calls $240.

Turn: ($1120) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $300, [

Villain is 23/18/3 over 2k hands, datamined though so no reads.

Fold the turn? What if he shoved? What if I had kk?

wtf5 · #2 06-01-2007, 03:00 PM

you've committed nearly half ur stack i dont see how u can fold here. The guy is aggro and you could be JJ or even 10,10 if hes bad.

You perfer shoving preflop if ur ahead of his 4bet range or unless u think he spews really badly.

DJ Sensei · #3 06-01-2007, 03:26 PM

i'd rather shove preflop than play guessing games post, if you think your QQ is good.

Novles · #4 06-01-2007, 03:47 PM

Is folding pf too weak? If he's a good player (which is stats suggest), and you haven't been messing with him or squeezing a lot, he's gotta know you have a big pair a lot to squeeze his utg raise, right? Then again, he could play the whole "well he thinks, so i think, so he thinks," and resqueeze with his 76s. Bah.

Praetor · #5 06-01-2007, 05:11 PM

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IDK if it is, thats the prob!

wpr101 · #6 06-01-2007, 05:14 PM

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i'd rather shove preflop than play guessing games post, if you think your QQ is good.

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I don't get what you mean. We are playing guessing games both pre and post flop with QQ in this situation. How is pre not a guessing game if we push?

xorbie · #7 06-01-2007, 05:17 PM

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i'd rather shove preflop than play guessing games post, if you think your QQ is good.

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I don't get what you mean. We are playing guessing games both pre and post flop with QQ in this situation. How is pre not a guessing game if we push?

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because it puts the other guy to a decision for all his chips!

shove flop btw if you call this pre

ilikeaces86_ · #8 06-01-2007, 05:19 PM

Just shove your only 120bbs deep QQ= the nuts.

Slappz · #9 06-01-2007, 05:23 PM

Id either fold preflop or go all the way with it. Looks like he milking you bigtime tho.

Praetor · #10 06-01-2007, 05:27 PM

for people who say shove preflop, I think thats a viable move.

Now that I got here like this, how do you proceeed? Doesn't his bet look like a real value extracter?