$20+1r+1a: Flop set v gboro and lordhuttyx

registrar · #1 08-22-2007, 06:49 PM

Single rebuy. I splashed around a bit and unsuccessfully until this hand just before the addon.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t50/t100
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t5135
UTG+1: t1500
MP1: t5530
Hero: t1900
MP3: t2395
CO: t3395
Button: t5690
SB: t995
BB: t11375

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2
3 folds, Hero raises to t300, 2 folds, Button calls t300 (pot was t450), 2 folds.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t750, 2 players)
Hero bets t300, Button raises to t600, Hero raises all-in t1600, Button folds.
Uncalled bets: t1000 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: t1950

Then this just after the addon. Gboro is BB. lordhuttyx is first caller. SB has only raised and shown down big hands. Talk me through it.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t75/t150
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t7260
UTG+1: t7855
MP1: t7480
Hero: t4775
MP3: t4095
CO: t6145
Button: t6365
SB: t3620
BB: t12175

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, Hero raises to t400, MP3 folds, CO calls t400 (pot was t625), Button folds, SB calls t325 (pot was t1025), BB calls t250 (pot was t1350).

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t1600, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero?

ssnyc · #2 08-22-2007, 06:52 PM

bets 975...

SharkTank43 · #3 08-22-2007, 07:21 PM

I would bet somewhere around 1000.

Bakes · #4 08-22-2007, 07:27 PM

checkk

hamnegger · #5 08-22-2007, 07:37 PM

can i bring another view here.
1. betting into 3 players says "i have a king or can beat a king" the chances of action are AK (RERAISING PREFLOP),KQ (This is your best hope),KJs,K10s(if i was big blind and i called w k 10s for pot odds i would either lead or fold to your strong bet.)

2. there are no draws checking is not a major problem.with all the players in the pot it is not a suspicious check.

3. 88 is your only real worry and then you are going to lose all your chips anyway.

i might check call if the last to act bet. its consistent with a hand like 10's-qq where im calling one bet to see if youll fire again.if he fires again he's probably pot committed.ive got him. best case....last to act tries to steal it (or has a king) he bets the blinds raise now im cooking.worst case turn card gives someone a live draw or a made but 2nd best hand and i can bet/raise for value.

p.s.
if the board had any 2 cards 10 or higher im playing fast. the goal is to maximize expectation here.i really don't think leading does that.

b-komplex · #6 08-22-2007, 11:18 PM

check

JARID · #7 08-22-2007, 11:36 PM

[ QUOTE ]
can i bring another view here.
1. betting into 3 players says "i have a king or can beat a king" the chances of action are AK (RERAISING PREFLOP),KQ (This is your best hope),KJs,K10s(if i was big blind and i called w k 10s for pot odds i would either lead or fold to your strong bet.)

2. there are no draws checking is not a major problem.with all the players in the pot it is not a suspicious check.

3. 88 is your only real worry and then you are going to lose all your chips anyway.

i might check call if the last to act bet. its consistent with a hand like 10's-qq where im calling one bet to see if youll fire again.if he fires again he's probably pot committed.ive got him. best case....last to act tries to steal it (or has a king) he bets the blinds raise now im cooking.worst case turn card gives someone a live draw or a made but 2nd best hand and i can bet/raise for value.

p.s.
if the board had any 2 cards 10 or higher im playing fast. the goal is to maximize expectation here.i really don't think leading does that.

[/ QUOTE ]

I pretty much agree with all of this so I'm not going to take the time to re-type it.

One additional "p.s."; If this were heads-up against the CO I would advocate a bet since it looks like a standard c-bet that a good (I assume reasonably agg?) player may raise or float which leads to more ops to get chips in the pot. Since we are multiway its unlikely anyone gets overly crafty like this.

Jarid

ASPoker8 · #8 08-22-2007, 11:49 PM

i check

the alex · #9 08-23-2007, 12:01 AM

Loooooooove a check with hutty behind to act.

registrar · #10 08-23-2007, 04:08 AM

OK, so I checked, for the reasons that Hamneggar mentioned and because two of the callers were good and the other one was tight.

Presumably we bet the turn. How much?

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t75/t150
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t7260
UTG+1: t7855
MP1: t7480
Hero: t4775
MP3: t4095
CO: t6145
Button: t6365
SB: t3620
BB: t12175

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, Hero raises to t400, MP3 folds, CO calls t400 (pot was t625), Button folds, SB calls t325 (pot was t1025), BB calls t250 (pot was t1350).

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t1600, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t1600, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero?