Poker 101: KQs

[ajmargarine]

Reads: Hero is playing TAG. CO is a clueless shortstack, bought in for $20 and has played about 8/10 hands since he sat down. SB is a nitty tight player. BB loose passive. Table is playing fast and loose.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $87.70
BB: $77.05
Hero (UTG): $50.00
MP: $50.00
CO: $14.85
BTN: $49.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, MP folds, CO calls $2.00, BTN folds, SB calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($8) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero...

1. Is this a hand we want to PFR UTG at this table? Discuss.
2. Is this a flop Hero wants to get all-in on? Discuss. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
3. What is the optimal bet size for Hero on the flop?

[shoxbb6]

A raise utg here is fine.

Yes, I want to get it all in on this flop, we have lots of equity even against a flopped straight or set.

I bet $6 on the flop.

[Jzo19]

1.yes
2.yes, even against qj/jt we're a favorite and even if we're behind we have a ton of redraws etc
3.i would bet 5 or 6 .

[Knuckles]

1. I would say yes. CO will throw it in with anything and so will the BB. If they can't lay hands down after the flop I would rather play large pots against them. If the SB is nitty most of the time he will fold, but if he calls we will be able to narrow his range considerably.

2. Yes. This is a flop the hero wants to get all-in. You have flopped a monster. Even if an opponent has two pair here you are still a large favorite over them.

3. The optimal bet size is whatever allows our hero to get all his chips into the pot most of the time. I would bet 6 here because if I get check raised by the SB or BB I would easily be able to get all my chips in while they feel obligated to call.

[Shoe Lace]

1. I think so.
2. Oh yeah.
3. Hard to say.

I think #3 is your biggest concern. The problem is CO. If you bet a normal amount the shortie will probably raise any decent piece of the board.

Unless SB caught a big piece he's going to fold to CO's raise for sure.
BB would love to call your bet with a decent piece but might find a fold to CO's raise.

If you check and CO open shoves then it's no different than above.
If you check and CO checks behind then it's unlikely you're going to win a lot if you make one of your draws.

I think I bet exactly the pot to make CO's shove less scary to SB/BB.

[ajmargarine]

IMHO, there is one perfect precise bet size for Hero to make.

[corsakh]

1) yes
2) yes
3) 6.4, thought he had 20 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[fees]

1. Yes, its a monster, I profitably raise a much wider range from utg at 50
2. Yes, top pair with a striaghtflush redraw is the nuts 100BB deep, 3bet shove if raised
3. Normally you want to push combo draws, but this draw is so powerful that I want a regular cbet, 75% of potsize so 6

[jessyj07]

[ QUOTE ]
IMHO, there is one perfect precise bet size for Hero to make.

[/ QUOTE ]$6 so that if c/o pushes and somebody calls we can shove?

[Knuckles]

Second try with new logic, fair warning it may be crappy. CO has 12 left behind him. If the SB caught any part of this flop he will be going for a c/r because he has tens or jacks and won't fear if the CO raises. The question is what happens with the BB. If we check and CO bets then the BB may be willing to call here and we can hit him with a crai. The CO will still call so we get his stack, and the pot will be large and hopefully he will call. We don't really fear a checked flop here, because our hand really isn't that vulnerable. Perfect bet size here is a check?