Need advice on 2 hands.

Alexost · #1 08-16-2007, 05:45 PM

Villan is 25/17/7.5 (7.5 TAG post flop) over 52 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, MP2 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 4 BB

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, 8 folds, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Am I too scared of the overcards? Basically I give villain credit from his reactions.

I'm thinking good fold KK vs ace on flop.

K10s I'm not too sure about

Thanks

bravos1 · #2 08-16-2007, 05:55 PM

Hand 1 : raise PF and I bet the turn as played
Hand 2 : fine

Nick D · #3 08-16-2007, 05:57 PM

I'll be the first to respond, although I'm prepared to be corrected..

First hand, I'd raise this preflop. You've probably got the best hand thusfar, and the villain is in late position, meaning his range of limping hands is gonna be a lot larger.

After the flop, I think this PFR may have bought you the pot with your flop bet. Also, bet the turn. You shouldn't slow down just because an overcard comes. This will induce TAGs to bluff at the pot when they sense you are weak. As played, I call here and check/call the river unless another over (A only) comes.

Second hand:
some would probably say standard fold. You give no read on Villain so it is hard to say. It seems to be a WA/WB situation (there is a recent thread dedicated to this topic..check it out). I'd probably just check/call the flop, turn, and river.

If he's bluffing, note it. If he isn't bluffing, remember. If he's betting w/ KK, QQ, or JJ, make a note of it indicating he was aggressive even into resistance and with an A on board. Then adjust your play to him accordingly in the future.

Nick

bravos1 · #4 08-16-2007, 06:02 PM

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jeanbaptiste36 · #5 08-16-2007, 06:07 PM

Fine

Nick D · #6 08-16-2007, 06:41 PM

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Nit rollcall..

bravos1...??!! bravos1??!!

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atcjhall · #7 08-16-2007, 06:59 PM

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Hand 1 : raise PF and I bet the turn as played
Hand 2 : fine

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Agreed

OziBattler · #8 08-16-2007, 08:03 PM

I cant help but comment on hand 1. Yes, raise that preflop but the turn check/fold is terrible. Hero must be the turn here. Being afraid of this overcard is mubsy until someone tells you they have it. Truth be told, hero should be betting the turn NO MATTER WHAT IT IS then playing poker from there.

Alex, if being worried about someone pairing everything an overcard falls to your pair is something you do alot then you need to keep an eye on that...it will cost you monies. Seriously, notice how the check, besides being wrong, also made the hand harder to play because you dont know what to do which is probably why you posted this hand, right?

Alexost · #9 08-16-2007, 08:30 PM

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I cant help but comment on hand 1. Yes, raise that preflop but the turn check/fold is terrible. Hero must be the turn here. Being afraid of this overcard is mubsy until someone tells you they have it. Truth be told, hero should be betting the turn NO MATTER WHAT IT IS then playing poker from there.

Alex, if being worried about someone pairing everything an overcard falls to your pair is something you do alot then you need to keep an eye on that...it will cost you monies. Seriously, notice how the check, besides being wrong, also made the hand harder to play because you dont know what to do which is probably why you posted this hand, right?

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Exactly AussieBattler.

I realized how weak it was post play, and just wanted some advice on it, and greatly appreciate all the comments from everyone. Nick D, great response, thanks.

I realized post play that I should have raised, and bet into the Q on the turn.

You see, I played a ton of free money games, (I know, you can't compare the two), and bet a lot to gain information, and from playing about 1700 money hands, I realize that I need to sometimes check to gain information instead.

I know there have been hands where I have correctly, as a matter a fact, more often than not, bet into overcards with the lead, and then folding to raises or continued if just called.

I guess my point is, when do you check for information, as opposed to betting for information. I'm extremely neophyte when it comes to marginal BB situations.

i.e. I have Q9o, a few limp in and I check.

flop: 10,2,9.

My current thought is to bet into this, and fold if I get much resistance, but like I said, I don't really have a feel yet for playing these marginal situations.

GLKST526 · #10 08-16-2007, 08:47 PM

Something to think about in a situation like hand one is what can the BB likely call with on the flop that is hit by the queen? The only real hands are QT, Q4, and Q3. Is he likely to be calling on the flop with just two overs? It's certainly possible that he did, and that's something to keep note of, but in all likelihood, the queen doesn't help him. And as Aussie pointed out, if you check, some people will be there with nothing, where as if you bet out, they have to respond to what you do, as opposed to vice versa.

Second hand is fine.