25NL: KK, 4bet always aces?

[PJo336]

I have been playing with this guy for a bit, he has never 3 bet me, and we really havent gone after each other. A buddy of mine says he has him running at 18/16 over a fair sample, so he seems fair.

Thoughts on every street because I feel like i shouldnt be calling pre if im just folding post flop

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $12.65
BB: $27.60
UTG: $62.75
MP: $13.00
Hero (CO): $56.95
BTN: $37.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1.00</font>, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.35</font>, 3 folds, <font color="red">UTG raises to $12.00</font>, Hero calls $8.65

Flop: ($24.35) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $15.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $15.00 returned to UTG

Pot Size: $24.35 ($1.20 Rake)

[PJo336]

also to note, we are both well over 200bb deep

[Capone]

I never fold KK preflop. I would shove pf.

[robinmbuk]

Even considering the fact that your deep you don't have sufficent implied odds to smooth call pf for set value. You need to 5 bet shove or fold. People do say never fold KK pf for 100BB, but as you note you are deep. Against someone with TAG stats like this I could find a fold here (although I dont like it), but I never call.

[Capone]

shove

[vixticator]

If you are calling the 4-bet you need to shove flop for value IMO. I don't think calling 4-bet is bad, but shoving is fine too.

[Capone]

If we are going to shove the flop, we may as well just get it in pf.

[PJo336]

Capone is giving me the feeling i should pooosh, I dont feel the need to drop 200 bbs on KK vs AA but with no reads either way calling is stupid i agree. I would lean more towards fold

[vixticator]

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If we are going to shove the flop, we may as well just get it in pf.

[/ QUOTE ]No real difference. Stack sizes are still large. 5-bet shoving for $45 more isn't spew per se but I like shoving flop over his c-bet better.

[PJo336]

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If we are going to shove the flop, we may as well just get it in pf.

[/ QUOTE ]No real difference. Stack sizes are still large. 5-bet shoving for $45 more isn't spew per se but I like shoving flop over his c-bet better.

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I agree, another factor is, Ive been tweaking my game a bit to be more nitty, i was prob running at about 16/13 at this point, and Id have to believe this player has a hud, or is at least a thinking player. I dont see an UTG making a 200bb bluff against a nit with 200bbs as well