Regarding players' point scoring in Hockey

[MicroBob]

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most traditional hockey stats aren't terribly meaningful for judging true performance anyway

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just thinking about it some more....isn't this kind of the same as counting all hits in baseball the same.

Ichiro got 250 hits and Barry got only 150 hits. But 50 of Barry's hits were HR's and they should be counted as 4 hits each!

They already have seperate stats for most goals and most assts. So keeping a stat for most total points where G's and A's are all counted the same doesn't seem like a big deal. It's mostly just a measure of "how many goal-scoring plays have you been a part of."

[jstnrgrs]

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Does this really bother you that much?

I really don't have a problem with goals and 2nd-assists being equal in terms of points. If they change it to a 3-2-1 system, it might cause some players to pass less (and go for goals more) which would ruin the game imo.

EDIT: I mean everyone already knows that player A with 40 goals and 25 assists is more valuable than player B with 25 goals and 40 assists. So, not a big deal.

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Any player who would change the way he plays because of a change in the way stats are kept is a player I don't want on my team.

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No sheet. That has aboslutely nothing to do with what I said, though.

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You suggested that if they changed to a 3-2-1 system, player's might pass less. I am saying that any player who would do this is not someone I want on my team.

[Pudge714]

A 3,2,1 system is just as abitrary. They should probably separate into
Goals, First assists, second assists and do some sort of analysis regarding that.
BTW thanks Sunny for linking those two websites.

[MicroBob]

I honestly can't see players somehow passing less if they changed some random stat.
That's incredibly ridiculous imo,

[Pudge714]

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I honestly can't see players somehow passing less if they changed some random stat.
That's incredibly ridiculous imo,

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Ya. I agree with this as well, especially since hockey is such a fluid game.

[MicroBob]

The fact is, regardless of the scoring players already LOVE to score goals.
getting a ton of assists is 'nice' but being the guy who actually lit the lamp is where the adreniline is and where the rush comes from.

A 4 asst game earns you some awesome pats on the back. "Hey guy...great game. You really set up everybody well."
A 2 goal game is high-fives all-around.
Everybody celebrates and looks at the goals as 'team' efforts but it's the guy who actually scored it who is feeling the biggest high.

So to that end there is already the emphasis and reward for putting it in the net even if it isn't reflected in the stat for 'points'.

[ArcticKnight]

Just because goals and assists count as equal value on most newspaper and website leader sheets, doesn't mean that you have to consider them as having the same value.

I think most pools value goals higher.

In the end, I guess it really doesn't matter much.

If we are talking about "valuing" players, I'd like to see (and I'm to lazy to look) a +/- tally that was adjusted for team overall performance, yet this still would not take-in a player's special teams (Powerplay and penalty kill) performamce, so that too would be limiting.

[eurythmech]

Thanks guys, lots of reasonable input here.

re SBR: Yeah, I see your point. But to me it just seems like play-off stats are almost neglected altogether, and often not mentioned at all.

re Pudge: Yup, it's just as arbitrary - and nothing I really have thought too much about.
But whatever the numbers might be, 3-2-1, pi-e-1, whatever, I think it would better reflect the importance of the performance.

[Needle77]

If you do the 3-2-1 system, are open net goals still worth 3 points?

[tarheeljks]

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But 50 of Barry's hits were HR's and they should be counted as 4 hits each!

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but that's why there's a slugging stat. i doubt hockey would have a comparable stat, but i'm not all that knowledgeable about hockey. as far as jagr having more opportunities, shouldn't the +/- statistic account for this to some degree? yes he's on the ice more, but he's also going to be on the ice when the other team scores.