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If the U.S. doesn't join WWII...there is certainly a non-zero possibility that the USSR would have won the cold war (control of Japan) and, of course, a non-zero chance that we would all be speaking German right now.

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If the U.S. doesn't join WWII...there is certainly a non-zero possibility that the USSR would have won the cold war (control of Japan) and, of course, a non-zero chance that we would all be speaking German right now.

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If I would have played 27o against my opponents aces all in, I would have hit 2 pair.

[Dan87]

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If the U.S. doesn't join WWII...there is certainly a non-zero possibility that the USSR would have won the cold war (control of Japan) and, of course, a non-zero chance that we would all be speaking German right now.

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If I would have played 27o against my opponents aces all in, I would have hit 2 pair.

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Awesome a poker analogy. This is what soldiers go to war to die for, our right to relate their deaths to poker.

[TomCollins]

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If the U.S. doesn't join WWII...there is certainly a non-zero possibility that the USSR would have won the cold war (control of Japan) and, of course, a non-zero chance that we would all be speaking German right now.

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If I would have played 27o against my opponents aces all in, I would have hit 2 pair.

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Awesome a poker analogy. This is what soldiers go to war to die for, our right to relate their deaths to poker.

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Nice appeal to emotions.

[Dan87]

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If the U.S. doesn't join WWII...there is certainly a non-zero possibility that the USSR would have won the cold war (control of Japan) and, of course, a non-zero chance that we would all be speaking German right now.

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If I would have played 27o against my opponents aces all in, I would have hit 2 pair.

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Awesome a poker analogy. This is what soldiers go to war to die for, our right to relate their deaths to poker.

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Nice appeal to emotions.

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My appealing to emotions was like a semi-bluff hoping that you would fold on the turn but I could also win the pot by making someone feel emotion.

[Kaj]

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If the U.S. doesn't join WWII...there is certainly a non-zero possibility that the USSR would have won the cold war (control of Japan) and, of course, a non-zero chance that we would all be speaking German right now.

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If I would have played 27o against my opponents aces all in, I would have hit 2 pair.

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Awesome a poker analogy. This is what soldiers go to war to die for, our right to relate their deaths to poker.

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No they go to war to prevent every bad event with non-zero probability from occurring, right?

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FDR FTW.

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If the U.S. doesn't join WWII...there is certainly a non-zero possibility that the USSR would have won the cold war (control of Japan) and, of course, a non-zero chance that we would all be speaking German right now.

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Soviets wouldn't have control of Japan, they never would have even fought. Cold War would be Japan + China + Southeast Asia and maybe India vs USSR + Occupied Europe vs US + UK and maybe France/Italy depending on if UK can D-Day by itself. Due to their huge borders and opposed ideologies Japan and Soviets would be natural enemies, so Cold War would likely be weak US + powerful Japan vs powerful Soviets

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Soviets wouldn't have control of Japan, they never would have even fought. Cold War would be Japan + China + Southeast Asia and maybe India vs USSR + Occupied Europe vs US + UK and maybe France/Italy depending on if UK can D-Day by itself.

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-- China and Japan would have NEVER found any kind of common ground. Imperial Japan regarded China as the equivalent of the Nazis' lebensraum to the East (Poland, Russia).

-- India was a British colony and would have remained so long after 1948, if the United States, as victorious Ally, had not insisted on "de-colonisation". (A term actually meaning "The-US-must-replace-Great-Britain".) The scenario of an India gaining independence after the war and then militarily opposing Great Britain is ludicrous.

-- Japan and the Soviet Union were no more "ideological enemies" than the USSR was an ideological enemy of western democracy. Don't you think that, at worst, Stalin would have found common ground with the Japanese to agree for a mutually accommodating peace? The communists have no qualms about tactical agreements with the Devil himself. They did that with Germany in WWI. They did it again with the Nazis in 1939.

-- "UK can D-Day by itself" ??? Are you seriously suggesting that Britain (OK, with the French...) could have successfully carried out the European landing on its own? This is ridiculous.

-- "Cold War would likely be weak US + powerful Japan vs powerful Soviets". This is even more ridiculous! Imperial Japan went to war precisely to oppose American threats to its perceived birthright for hegemony in Eastern Asia and the Pacific. And you're saying that a powerful Japan would somehow ally itself with the United States?? Never in a hundred years. The Soviet Union had no intentions or claims to Eastern Asia and the Pacific. Imperial Japan would have a natural ally in Moscow!

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-- China and Japan would have NEVER found any kind of common ground. Imperial Japan regarded China as the equivalent of the Nazis' lebensraum to the East (Poland, Russia).

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China would have been eventually conquered and divided up into puppet states.

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-- India was a British colony and would have remained so long after 1948, if the United States, as victorious Ally, had not insisted on "de-colonisation". (A term actually meaning "The-US-must-replace-Great-Britain".) The scenario of an India gaining independence after the war and then militarily opposing Great Britain is ludicrous.

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Lol? US had absolutely nothing to do with it and I would like you to find any possible source claiming that. India would have gained independence in much the same way, unless Japan overran China by 44, in which case India may have been overrun by the Japanese. In any event, a fully independent India would have likely moved closer to the Japanese, who would not only be their neighbors with the greater east asia co-prosperity sphere, but would also remain the only non-white global power. India was in no way strong enough at this point to stand alone, and with the UK victorious but fatally weakened even more than our timeline I could def see them being friendlier with Japan than with the UK. Although they may also have been courted by the Soviets to oppose the Japanese too.

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Japan and the Soviet Union were no more "ideological enemies" than the USSR was an ideological enemy of western democracy. Don't you think that, at worst, Stalin would have found common ground with the Japanese to agree for a mutually accommodating peace? The communists have no qualms about tactical agreements with the Devil himself. They did that with Germany in WWI. They did it again with the Nazis in 1939.

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Japan and the Soviets fought several major border actions prior to WW2. In the post war scenario, Japan would also be the only one of Germany's "allies" during the war which would be undefeated, so there would obviously be huge Soviet anger towards them.

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"UK can D-Day by itself" ??? Are you seriously suggesting that Britain (OK, with the French...) could have successfully carried out the European landing on its own? This is ridiculous.

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If Germany sees no real threat and withdraws the vast majority of its soldiers from France to attempt to stop the Soviets, I would say there is definitely a chance that the Allies could launch some type of amphibious invasion of mainland Europe, yes.

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"Cold War would likely be weak US + powerful Japan vs powerful Soviets". This is even more ridiculous! Imperial Japan went to war precisely to oppose American threats to its perceived birthright for hegemony in Eastern Asia and the Pacific. And you're saying that a powerful Japan would somehow ally itself with the United States?? Never in a hundred years. The Soviet Union had no intentions or claims to Eastern Asia and the Pacific. Imperial Japan would have a natural ally in Moscow!


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Once again, plz to be checking your history. Japan didn't go to war with the US to "oppose American threats to their birthright." They simply assumed that America wouldn't stand by and let them sieze the European colonies in Asia, although its likely that if they had not attacked at Pearl Harbor, America would have done nothing. In our little alternate history timeline here, the US is not interventionist, so it would therefore definitely not intervene in Asia. Without the US as a threat, Japan would be free to sieze Indochina, Indonesia, and the rest of South East Asia. US public though of Japan as backwards and weak, and would likely see no threat from them, much as in our timeline. So there would be tensions due to continuing US occupation of Philippines, but the Soviets would be a MUCH bigger threat in the postwar world to Japan than the US (huge border, border issues resulting in past border wars, fought a war 40 years ago, just fought massive war vs past ally).

And Russia had no claims to Eastern Asia? What about the Russo-Japanese war only 40 years earlier? What about Khalkin Gol and the other numerous border disputes and fights between Japan and the Soviets? What about Japan being technically allied with the Germans who had just decimated the Soviets? Japan was TERRIFIED of the Soviets, and would be a natural ally of anyone opposing the Soviets. In fact the signed the Anti-Comintern pact specifically to oppose the Soviets.