A Female President: Is America ready?

[diebitter]

Hilary is a contender, I believe.

What do you think?

[katyseagull]

I'm really confused with Hilary. I've been meaning to read up on her to be able to form an opinion and answer questions like this. Right now I don't know what to think. I understand that her husband had some very conservative, Republican ideas and that he was quite to the right of many typical democrats. Is this true for Hilary then?


I would like to know why she is harshly viewed by such a large percent of the population. Is it her mannerisms? Her aggressive tone? I just don't think Americans like strong, vocal women. Frankly, they hate them.

[pryor15]

maybe it's just me, but Hillary strikes me as a candidate who has a very strong opinion (and one that i agree with) on one issue (health care), but on everything else either only sort of has a view or doesn't care at all or, worse, has been given an opinion by others.

that could be way off, though. mostly it's the vibe i get watching her in debates

i'm as liberal as they come, and right now i'd vote for Romney over Hillary (but Obama over both of them)

[katyseagull]

Obama, really? I'm not sure about him. I'm not sold yet.

Question for you on Hilary. Does she have her own convictions and drive to fight for what she genuinely believes in or is she a puppet, acting out someone else's aggenda? I really need to read up on her.



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I reread your post and see that you think she does not have the conviction other than health care and you state she is repeating others opinions. Sorry i should have read more carefully. (trying to work and post at the same time [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] )

[pryor15]

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Obama, really? I'm not sure about him. I'm not sold yet.

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i like him. he strikes me as ballsy, but not in a stupid, Kusinich way. also, he seems to have a strong sense of history. a friend of mine was in Selma when Obama and Hillary were there for the anniversary of Bloody Sunday and he said Obama was genuinely thrilled to meet one of the semi-obscure members of the Civil Rights Movement, the type of person who doesn't make the short version of events, but is known to people who've studied it. he then escorted her (she's like 95 now) across the bridge. that's worth a lot in my book.

he also studied Constitutional Law, which is something we probably can't say for the current President

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Question for you on Hilary. Does she have her own convictions and drive to fight for what she genuinely believes in or is she a puppet, acting out someone else's aggenda? I really need to read up on her.

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i don't know for sure, but beyond health care, i don't really get a feeling that she's acting on her own aggenda

[katyseagull]

I recently saw something on this topic. They were saying that Europe and Asian countries are more accepting of a female leader than America. Now why is that? Do you guys believe it is true because I do. I'm not sure even I want a female president. I think it has to do with my strong dislike for female authority figures. I hate them. I don't like female bosses, principals, superintendents, CEOs, that Kathleen Blanco governor in Louisiana...etc.

I am prejudiced [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[metsandfinsfan]

hillary vs obama

i love this video

[pryor15]

it's probably just an off-shoot of the fact that the US is pretty far behind the rest of the world when it comes to social change, something that probably stems from having such a long history of a fundamental Christianity ethos.

it seems to me that any time you've got a country with a strong religious heritage, be it Catholic or Protestant or Muslim or whatever, the impetus for change is going to be fought tooth and nail, and that applies to sexual morays and treatment of minorities and, well, almost anything.

there's probably a strong section of this country that would never vote for a woman--any woman--and that's just stupid, but it's the country we live in

[Blarg]

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Hilary is a contender, I believe.

What do you think?

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She's far too hated by the Republicans to ever make it. Of any woman, she would be one of the ones with the fewest chances, I'd think.

Also, she has become SO politically correct that she has lost whatever character she originally had. I used to hate on the Hillary bashers, and they well deserved it for the awful and extraorindarily negative hate-industry they created around her pretty much from the get-go. Now, I still hate on them for being such unregenerate total douchebags, but find myself having problems of my own with her not because of the magical satanic powers ascribed to her, but because she has taken politics so thoroughly into her nature that she is a prime example of standing for nothing anywhere near so much as getting and staying elected. It's very hard to see anyone so shamelessly kowtowing to every possible poll as having any core integrity any longer.

As to other women, America is going to be electing white males for a very long time to come. The people on the coasts might consider alternatives, but they don't have the numbers and can't fight the religious right, which has way too many tie-ins with archaic religious, racial, and social ideas. The only thing that could turn that all around is the growing influence of the Latino influx; but they tend to turn more conservative after a single generation and are already primed to vote along religious conservative lines because of their overwhelming Catholicism.

So far, whites have not been good at representing their own political interests at the voting booth, choosing to be by and large single-issue voters going to the booths simply for religious reasons. The question is whether the incoming Latino population, which tends to be far less educated, will buck that trend. There's more than ample reason to suggest they will not. At most, they might elect a non-white man, but probably not a black one, as there is plenty of prejudice against blacks in the Latino community. A woman? No, I'd guess. They're too traditional a people and have a more tribal, rule-of-men than rule-of-law historical background.

[MrWookie]

I have no idea who has a good chance of being the next president. It seems like the people who stand a good chance to make it out of the primaries don't stand a good chance of getting elected, and the people who stand the best chances of getting elected probably won't make it out of the primaries.

On the Republican side, we have Mitt Romney in the first category, and then we have Rudy and McCain in the second. Ron Paul, unfortunately, is a pretty big dog in either scenario. I'm warming to Libertarian ideas, but I don't think the rest of the country is. For the Dems, it seems like Hillary and Edwards are in the first category and Obama is in the second.